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#1 Ben

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 07:22 AM

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If I may, I’d like to riff off something written by my friend Baxter at Gun Nuts not too long ago.

 

There are classes that are termed “tactical,” there are classes that are termed “competition,” and so on. To an extent, these classes usually do have differences. You’d expect certain rules to be taught or discussed at a USPSA-oriented class, for example. You’d reasonably expect a “tactical” class to discuss where hits on a threat have a serious effect (thoracic triangle & ocular window) and where they don’t (everywhere else).

 

But a problem comes in when someone wants to be better at one type of shooting yet only takes classes focused on other pieces of the puzzle. For example, you’ll often see guys who’ve only taken those “tactical” classes get their butts handed to them in competition- or technical-oriented classes. They may be able to do a 360 scan with their eyes closed (?) but if they can’t hit the target fast and accurately they’re never going to get to that step in the real world. Along the same lines, a guy who carries a gun every day but has only trained for gun games isn’t simply going to learn osmotically things about tactical movement, use of cover, and yes even that 360 degree scan.

 

Don’t fall into the trap of thinking your favorite type of class is the only type of class you need. Unless, of course, it is. If you only ever pick up a pistol for bullseye competition then obviously you don’t need a combat warrior class or a USPSA class. But at the same time, if you’re that guy, don’t bust on the guys who want a more rounded shooting skillset. That’s one of the big problems I see these days: tactical guys who make fun of competition classes (“those gamers!“) and vice versa (“those tactical Teds/Timmies!”). This can be especially true of certain instructors who really only have expertise or exposure to one small part of the shooting world and need all their potential customers to desire that little slice more than all the others. They’ll commonly make fun of other types of classes (or other instructors) because they don’t want students to look anywhere else for training.

Any instructor who thinks he’s the only person with important or useful information should be avoided at all costs, in my opinion.

 

Train hard & stay safe! ToddG

 

 



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 07:28 AM

I just don't understand why I'd ever need to be a combat warrior.

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 07:32 AM

Fuck that guy and the Timmies

If I took one of those classes I'd have to buy a vest

I don't see that happening!

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 07:37 AM

I just don't understand why I'd ever need to be a combat warrior.

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Because food court shoot out

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 07:41 AM

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Because food court shoot out


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 07:44 AM

I took a room-clearing class from a couple of local SWAT guys a while back. It was 100% dry fire, and we learned both individual and team techniques. One of the many interesting things was deliberate vs dynamic clearing. In the former, you're quietly inching through the structure while making heavy use of cover. Like IDPA turned up to 11 but without the time factor and fishing vest. In the latter, it's 100% speed of action and a hell of a lot like you'd run a USPSA stage. Picked up some good techniques on moving through doors as well.

 

Why take such a class? Because SHTF WROL!



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 08:06 AM

So basically, "can't we all just get along".

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 08:07 AM

So basically, "can't we all just get along".


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#9 Bananabarrel

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 08:44 AM

Just have both skills down like Earnest Langdon.



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 08:45 AM

Learn shooting from competition, learn tactics from books. Timmy classes are dumb.



#11 jakemartens

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 08:47 AM

how does the tactical beard play into this?



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 08:48 AM

Keeps my face warm when operating.


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#13 Bananabarrel

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 08:49 AM

This scarecrow is a tactical scarecrow, note that he is wearing the 5.11 fall catalog



#14 rballz

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 08:51 AM

So is the TL;DR summary - "any training can be good lolz"?



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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:06 AM

I have taken competitive training classes for fun.

 

I have taken tactical training classes for fun.

 

I have taken crossover competitive/tactical training classes for fun.

 

Engaging in gun fights in the food court will get you killed in the street.

 

Can you pick out the threat?

 

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:19 AM

I have taken competitive training classes for fun.
 
I have taken tactical training classes for fun.
 
I have taken crossover competitive/tactical training classes for fun.
 
Engaging in gun fights in the food court will get you killed in the street.
 
Can you pick out the threat?
 
mall-foodcourt.jpg


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#17 Buck Turgidson

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:26 AM

I thought Señor Pepe was the threat.  Threat to your anus.......


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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:27 AM

The whole tactical timmy training industry is just plain bullshit and a way to rob clueless people with paul blart fantasies of their money


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#19 GuanoLoco

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:30 AM

I thought that was what USPSA membership dues were for.


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#20 Miculek is a Noob

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Posted 20 October 2014 - 09:35 AM

I thought Señor Pepe was the threat.  Threat to your anus.......

 

Meh... that food court Mexican shit is weak sauce.






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