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#1 Motosapiens

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 06:34 PM

Podcast today made me think about it. It seems to me that a cheap singlestack gun is even cheaper than a cheap production gun, and a really good singlestack gun is more accurate and has a better trigger than a really good production gun. There's a bit less muss and fuss with official approved gun lists in SS, and you can do most common modifications without anyone having a cow. No matter what state you live in you can get a decent 1911, and even in low-cap states, the magazines aren't so tight for that last round that it becomes difficult to seat during a reload. Also pretty much everywhere has a couple decent 1911 smiths, and parts are freely available, so you don't have to find the 2 or 3 specialists in the entire country that know how to work on your particular unicorn.

 

I think at one point, people were actually competing with guns similar to what they carried, but that ship has clearly sailed. I actually do carry a cz pretty frequently, but I don't think too many people carry a tanfo on a regular basis.

 

what do you guys think? except for the competition, what makes production more attractive than SS?

 

 


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Posted 12 December 2014 - 06:42 PM

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 06:52 PM

Decent 1911 is $850, cheap one is maybe $650 and not very reliable

Decent Production gun is $500, cheap one is $400 but is reliable.

Used/cheap Productions guns are still reliable, 1911's not so much.

.40/.45 ammo is more expensive that 9mm by a lot

It comes down to money!
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Posted 12 December 2014 - 07:02 PM

People that use single stacks still use pocket watches.
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Posted 12 December 2014 - 07:29 PM

3 decent replies, lock this thread and ban these guys.
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Posted 12 December 2014 - 07:36 PM

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 07:43 PM

I thought SS minor was where only the super cool dudes hung out?

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 07:51 PM

Before I decided on Prod. division some guy was offerring me a .38 Super 1911 of what I later researched was decent quality with 600 rounds of ammo for about $1,200ish. Turned it down when I found out about the divisions Standard and Production, the costs associated and mods you can do, and the cost of 9mm vs .38 Super. Being a student is fun. B)


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Posted 12 December 2014 - 07:52 PM

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 08:27 PM

The real man is a dying breed. John Browning would shit himself and eat his dirty drawers if he could see all the metrosexual fags prancing around in spandex shirts shooting plastic fantastics and Italiban junicorns. 19/2011, jorts, a Marlboro and motherfucking sweaty Hanes tshirt with a real goddam tag that gets caught in you Sasquatch back hair  FTW!!!

 

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 08:43 PM

The real man is a dying breed. John Browning would shit himself and eat his dirty drawers if he could see all the metrosexual fags prancing around in spandex shirts shooting plastic fantastics and Italiban junicorns. 19/2011, jorts, a Marlboro and motherfucking sweaty Hanes tshirt with a real goddam tag that itches your red burley neck FTW!!!

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 08:44 PM

People that use revolvers still use pocket watches.

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 08:52 PM

People that use revolvers use analemmatic sundials.

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Posted 12 December 2014 - 10:16 PM

We have come a long way from when:

 

A plastic holster was called a Snick and got snickered at.

 

HG 68 200 grain bullets were gamer.

 

You shot a 1911 in 45 ACP at 185 PF with a 20lb recoil spring and if you didn't feel the slide hit the frame on recoil you were a weak ass pussy.

 

You either held the hammer or the trigger back when you turned the slide loose to chamber a round. Otherwise the hammer would follow right along with the slide cause you couldn't buy a C&S ign system.

 

To be high speed you put in a stock Colt Commander hammer and grip safety and still got hammer bite.

 

The full length guide rod was the end of the world and the start of gamer guns.

 

The Devel follower allowed 8 rounds in your magazine and was the end of the world and competition would never be fair again and the start of gamer guns.

 

Gluing a piece of leather with Barge Cement on the bottom of your magazine was the end of the world and competition would never be fair again and the start of gamer guns.

 

This little piece of plastic that went under you grips and gave you sort of a magazine well was..... well you know.

 

Yeh things have changed and I'm only 96 years younger than Saint John Moses Browning.


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Posted 12 December 2014 - 10:40 PM

Minor in Single Stack should be a trip to Open.



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Posted 13 December 2014 - 12:26 PM

Decent 1911 is $850, cheap one is maybe $650 and not very reliable

Decent Production gun is $500, cheap one is $400 but is reliable.

Used/cheap Productions guns are still reliable, 1911's not so much.

.40/.45 ammo is more expensive that 9mm by a lot

It comes down to money!

 

Yup, talent pools are always deepest where accessibility is greatest.  


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Posted 13 December 2014 - 01:39 PM

At the local level it's because Glock 34's are cheaper and they run out of the box. It's because 9mm factory ammo is cheaper to buy and once you realize that you need to start reloading you are already shooting 9mm so you might as well stay there.

At the national level I think Ben is wrong, the talent pool is better in both the SS and limited divisions.
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Posted 13 December 2014 - 01:54 PM

Thanks for the responses. I think it does make sense now. Although you can get a reliable 45 pretty cheap (and have it run, right out of the box), it doesn't seem like reliable cheap 9mm 1911's have been all that easy to find until recently. It also seems like until recently most people took on faith that ss major was more competitive than ss minor, but I think the world shoot provided solid evidence that minor is just as good if not better unless the match is set up specifically to favor major.

 

I'm hoping to be able to shoot ss major and minor both in the same local matches this winter and spring, and gather some data (as well as just get to run stages twice and learn to be gooder at stuff) and really just focus on SS for my major matches this year. Main reason I'm doing this is I got into ss nationals, and my other big matches are in the 6 weeks following ss nats, so I might as well stick with it. Also, I just find I get the most pleasure from practicing and shooting and working on my 1911.


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Posted 13 December 2014 - 02:20 PM

1911 is just another way of saying pleasure.


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Posted 13 December 2014 - 04:31 PM

In my case there is a lot less juice locally in SS, and Limited involves loading .40 which would mean a whole new setup. Production kind of chose itself. I was also inspired by Ben to do this shooting thing so seemed natural to go play the game in the same division.

If there was as much fun and peeps I like shooting with in another division I'd be there. In the end, I want to get gooder at shooting and Production feels like shooting to me.




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