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#1 StrongHandOnly

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Posted 04 October 2015 - 09:46 PM

I think the general concensus is that there is no benefit to shooting Limited in MINOR. We should change that. We should make shooting Limited minor as competitive at shooting Limited major. We should allow people shooting Limited minor to have 155mm mags or something like that to even it out.

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Posted 04 October 2015 - 09:51 PM

why?



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Posted 04 October 2015 - 10:28 PM

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Posted 04 October 2015 - 11:18 PM

One idea: Treat Lim Major and Lim Minor as separate divisions since they obviously aren't equally competitive.
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Posted 04 October 2015 - 11:42 PM

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 01:11 AM

Limited minor is not a real division. It is just for 3-gunners looking to practice their pistol skills and Gabe White.


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Posted 05 October 2015 - 03:57 AM

Limited minor is not a real division. It is just for 3-gunners looking to practice their pistol skills and Gabe White.

 

Not true... If you want to see how this originaly started, look at SS. Major PF was closer to 200, and most people did it with a .45, and thus were limited to 8 rounds (actually 7+1). The choice was between points per round fired (major), and capacity (minor), and while most people still shot major, you could be competitve shooting minor.

 

Since the major PF has been watered down so much, probably the only way to do this would be to limit the capacity for shooting major. Something like 15 rounds for major, and whatever fits in a 140mm mag for minor.

 

Personally, I think it would make the game more interesting.


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Posted 05 October 2015 - 06:17 AM

Not true... If you want to see how this originaly started, look at SS. Major PF was closer to 200, and most people did it with a .45, and thus were limited to 8 rounds (actually 7+1). The choice was between points per round fired (major), and capacity (minor), and while most people still shot major, you could be competitve shooting minor.

 

Single Stack has only been a division since 2008 and Major PF has been 165 the entire time.

 

 

 Something like 15 rounds for major, and whatever fits in a 140mm mag for minor.

 

No.


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Posted 05 October 2015 - 06:45 AM

Major.  40 cal,  19-21 in a 140.   Minor 9mm,  23-25 in a 140.   That's the way it is now.  Doesn't need fixin'


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Posted 05 October 2015 - 07:11 AM

I want CO to split also. I'd like to see minor and major as separate division in CO. Then I want Steel CO so as to give the much maligned, but often carried steel guns a playing field in CO. Then split that to minor and major also.

So counting your split in Limited...that'd be what,..like 4 new divisions......

Limited Minor
CO major
Steel CO Minor
Steel CO Major
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Posted 05 October 2015 - 07:16 AM

Major.  40 cal,  19-21 in a 140.   Minor 9mm,  23-25 in a 140.   That's the way it is now.  Doesn't need fixin'

Agreed, and this comes from someone who continues to shoot minor in SS and cries at the lost points.



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Posted 05 October 2015 - 07:40 AM

Their is no reason to shoot limited minor.  It's just where you end up when you don't make PF or are too broke to buy more mags to shoot Production.

 

 

Open major/minor....in my opinion that goes against the spirit of open so I'd support major going away there.



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Posted 05 October 2015 - 08:02 AM

A number of folks shot Limited minor at the NC sectional over the weekend.
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Posted 05 October 2015 - 08:08 AM

Actually I'm not convinced Lim Minor needs to be a separate division but I WOULD at least like to see in the results whether a Limited competitor was using major or minor scoring.

Same thing for Single Stack.

Open - does anyone shoot Open Minor by choice???
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#15 StrongHandOnly

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 08:11 AM

Major. 40 cal, 19-21 in a 140. Minor 9mm, 23-25 in a 140. That's the way it is now. Doesn't need fixin'

25 my ass.

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 08:15 AM

A number of folks shot Limited minor at the NC sectional over the weekend.


You mean like on purpose?
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#17 StrongHandOnly

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 08:21 AM

I think the mag capacity needs to be closer to 26 or 27 to make limited minor competetive. Limited minor in revolver and SS gives approx a 30% advantage.

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Posted 05 October 2015 - 08:34 AM

You mean like on purpose?


It was considerably colder than anyone was expecting and some people just barely failed chronograph...thus got bumped to lim-minor.
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Posted 05 October 2015 - 09:02 AM

Single Stack has only been a division since 2008 and Major PF has been 165 the entire time.

 

Think 1978... when there was only one division, USPSA hadn't been born yet, and major PF was based on a 230grn .45 going 950 fps (chronos weren't so prolific, you had to bang the gong). The power factor formula was invented to keep people from using their .45 wad guns (~150 pf) and taking advantage of the preferential scoring. 'Major' was meant to reward those who shot something that would actually knock something down, versus the capacity advantage, which is actually a time advantage, of the 'minor' calibers.

 

People actually considered the major/minor neutrality of stages. A 'good' stage theoretically could be shot, by a competent shooter, with both a major and minor PF to virtually identical hit factors.

 

Shit got fucked up when people started pushing .38 soopers to make major, to get back the capacity advantage. Guns started blowing up, and the nannys started lowering the PF, if I'm remembering right.

 

Personally, I always liked the major/minor neutrality...



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Posted 05 October 2015 - 09:15 AM

Major is dumb.


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