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Poll: What kind of open gun do you like? (62 member(s) have cast votes)

New Gen or Old

  1. I like em short and fat, new for me (2 votes [3.23%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

  2. Old style guns are what the pros shoot, clearly that's correct (5 votes [8.06%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.06%

  3. Quit asking stupid gear questions, it doesn't fucking matter (20 votes [32.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 32.26%

  4. Open is dumb (35 votes [56.45%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 56.45%

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#101 MemphisMechanic

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Posted 23 October 2016 - 04:23 PM

Yes, open shooters are spawned having never shot iron sights. Thankfully you figured it out for us. I should go buy a sideways mount so my 3.5 pound hand rifle is more practical.


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Posted 23 October 2016 - 04:25 PM

RE Intros: They're pretty handy with such a small group. If you're a C class revolver shooter I can safely toss aside any advice or tips.


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Posted 23 October 2016 - 05:22 PM

Late to party, but GM in physics, though open is dumb.

 

Heavier Gun--reduces muzzle flip (torque)

Having mass at the END of the pistol will reduce muzzle flip (torque) as well (Math would be involed--I = Integral of distance squared for each mass element).

Having a shorter pistol of same weight would also decrease  muzzle flip as torque is r x f (r cross f) or the cross product of the distance to the force form the pivot.

 

As far as recoil, recoil will be recoil, however "felt recoil" which isn't exactly a standard physics term will be less for a heavier gun as the gun will not slam into your hand as fast.  Gun size/dimensions should make no impact on the recoil, other than its easier to make a larger gun heavier.

 

This of course ignores the increased muscle fatigue for all you pussies who can't carry around a 4 lb pistol for 30 seconds running full speed because heavier guns torque your arms more.  A shorter gun would have a slightly easier time, but if we calcualted, best estimate would be the difference would be negligible.  That extra couple ounces hanging on the end of a "long pistol" will not impact the Center of Mass of the pistol much, so I would ignore the effect cause I ain't doing math for you guys.

 

TL:DR give your money to me,  buy a glock.  And a short fat gun has reduced muzzle flip compared to a same weight gun or larger dimension.

 

Ignored factors:

Muzzle velocity loss

Compensator effect

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Sight radius (red dots so pfft)


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Posted 24 October 2016 - 12:21 PM

Saturday, at the match, someone had one of them there awesome Atlas Titan limited guns, seen here: http://www.atlasgunw...-guns-atlas.php

 

As such, I played with it and must say, I love the way the steel grip feels. Fills my hand well, super grippy, feels great. The build quality of the atlas gun was impeccable, as an aside. 

 

However, that is a limited gun, not an open gun. So I still am on the fence as to whether I would like it for open, because the comp does most of the work for keeping the gun flat and soft anyway. My friend I mentioned earlier that just ordered an evo grip told me it will be here hopefully this week, so maybe I will get to shoot it next weekend at the match. That would be probably as close to one of these guns as I can get (STI matchmaster with a steel grip).

 

TL;DR: Atlas builds a good gun, steel grips feel great, gonna shoot a metal grip open gun next week.



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Posted 25 October 2016 - 01:29 PM

Saturday, at the match, someone had one of them there awesome Atlas Titan limited guns, seen here: http://www.atlasgunw...-guns-atlas.php

 

As such, I played with it and must say, I love the way the steel grip feels. Fills my hand well, super grippy, feels great. The build quality of the atlas gun was impeccable, as an aside. 

 

However, that is a limited gun, not an open gun. So I still am on the fence as to whether I would like it for open, because the comp does most of the work for keeping the gun flat and soft anyway. My friend I mentioned earlier that just ordered an evo grip told me it will be here hopefully this week, so maybe I will get to shoot it next weekend at the match. That would be probably as close to one of these guns as I can get (STI matchmaster with a steel grip).

 

TL;DR: Atlas builds a good gun, steel grips feel great, gonna shoot a metal grip open gun next week.

As always I take free leftovers and sloppy seconds. More than happy to take those dumb old-style open guns and give them a good home


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 12:29 PM

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Posted 27 October 2016 - 07:21 AM

the comp does most of the work for keeping the gun flat and soft anyway.

 

Says who?


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#108 GooldMember

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Posted 27 October 2016 - 10:10 AM

Says who?

Says.... the whole point of open gun logic? Why even have a comp if it doesn't do that?

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Posted 27 October 2016 - 11:15 AM

Says.... the whole point of open gun logic? Why even have a comp if it doesn't do that?

Because it looks cool.  Function is all about the popple holes.


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#110 NickBlasta

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Posted 27 October 2016 - 12:28 PM

Because it looks cool.  Function is all about the popple holes.

 

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Posted 27 October 2016 - 03:05 PM

Do you fuckers even read? I've used the barrel and apparently am too stupid to understand it, because I have still had failures doing so. I drop the rounds in, and the plunk in and fall out. But apparently isn't consistent enough.

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Posted 27 October 2016 - 04:25 PM

Late to party, but GM in physics, though open is dumb.

 

Heavier Gun--reduces muzzle flip (torque)

Having mass at the END of the pistol will reduce muzzle flip (torque) as well (Math would be involed--I = Integral of distance squared for each mass element).

Having a shorter pistol of same weight would also decrease  muzzle flip as torque is r x f (r cross f) or the cross product of the distance to the force form the pivot.

 

I tried to not respond to this.  I really tried.  Mass at the end reduces muzzle flip, but so does a shorter one?

 

Recoil is momentum plus some jet effect of the expanding gas, transferred through the slide to the frame, then to you.

Momentum = Mass x Velocity, more gun mass means lower gun velocity (felt recoil)

Heavy and long = higher polar moment of inertia (resists rotating, muzzle flip)

Torque from recoil would be the result of the center of mass of the slide's distance above the pivot point (your ham hand).

Short guns work by attaching the comp to a point on the barrel where the pressure is higher.

Comps work to reduce slide speed by providing a surface the expanding gas can impinge on (baffles).

Holes vent high pressure gas like a reaction jet.



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Posted 27 October 2016 - 07:30 PM

I tried to not respond to this.  I really tried.  Mass at the end reduces muzzle flip, but so does a shorter one?

 

Recoil is momentum plus some jet effect of the expanding gas, transferred through the slide to the frame, then to you.

Momentum = Mass x Velocity, more gun mass means lower gun velocity (felt recoil)

Heavy and long = higher polar moment of inertia (resists rotating, muzzle flip)

Torque from recoil would be the result of the center of mass of the slide's distance above the pivot point (your ham hand).

Short guns work by attaching the comp to a point on the barrel where the pressure is higher.

Comps work to reduce slide speed by providing a surface the expanding gas can impinge on (baffles).

Holes vent high pressure gas like a reaction jet.

yeah you shoulda kept quiet.

 

all you did we restate what I said  and explain how comps work to a group of people who probably masturbate to comps.  Color me fascinated.

 

That and you managed to get every shooter in the world to agree on felt recoil.  

 

We should go bowling.


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#114 busdriver

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Posted 27 October 2016 - 07:35 PM

Having mass at the END of the pistol will reduce muzzle flip

Having a shorter pistol of same weight would also decrease  muzzle flip

 

 

I'm game for bowling however.

 

Edit:  You meant shorter in height didn't you?  If so, mea culpa.



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Posted 27 October 2016 - 08:24 PM

yawn. this is not interesting

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Posted 28 October 2016 - 07:06 AM

yawn. this is not interesting



Yeah, well your open gun is ugly. Unless it runs.
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