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#1 Maxamundo

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 10:09 PM

Anyone try anything like this? I feel I have a new clarity when it comes to understanding what my grip is doing.

 



#2 peterthefish

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 11:22 PM

I'd like to hear bens thoughts on training without sights.

#3 Maxamundo

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Posted 09 November 2016 - 11:29 PM

Sounds like a PPS topic to me!


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Posted 09 November 2016 - 11:57 PM

Get Pincus on the show too.



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 06:30 AM

I generally only eschew the sights during matches.  Its not working that great so far but I keep hoping.


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Posted 10 November 2016 - 07:32 AM

Have you tried adjusting how your strong hand approaches the gun on the draw? Small movements of your elbow, away from or towards your ribs, can alter your index, especially at speed.

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 08:46 AM

Yeah, I did some shooting with my LW Commander when I had the sights off in preparation for refinishing the slide. I already understood the principle of natural point of aim, and I had a pretty good inde,x so the hits were pretty much in the center. Heck, one can work on NPA in dry fire just by swinging the pistol around like a drunken sailor with your eyes shut, then open your eyes and see where the gun is pointed in relation to where you think it should be pointed.


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Posted 10 November 2016 - 10:36 AM

Interesting test idea



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 11:49 AM

Sights on a gun are fucking dumb.  Just put them on your glasses and you don't have to worry about finding them or aligning them.

 

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 11:57 AM

What range do I set the glasses convergence?



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Posted 10 November 2016 - 12:17 PM

What range do I set the glasses convergence?


"Shooting" range.

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 04:22 PM

I'm going guess your new sights aren't going to give you any improvements over the old



#13 Maxamundo

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 04:37 PM

I'm going guess your new sights aren't going to give you any improvements over the old


I disagree. My old rear sight was broken and would slide back and forth a quarter inch in recoil. I tried gluing it in place but I was way off at silver bullet and went to war with every popper past 10 yards.

#14 Maxamundo

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Posted 10 November 2016 - 08:26 PM

Just kidding guys I tried it on some harder steel shots today and I miss my sights. Fuck this I'm just gonna install the new ones.



#15 GooldMember

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Posted 11 November 2016 - 02:01 AM

Sometimes I shoot with the dot off, just to make people feel bad when they watch me shoot plate racks with "no sights."

 

I actually think that is a valuable thing to play with if you are an open shooter, because I personally believe it helps you realize just how little you actually have to see the dot on close range stuff. No longer will you stand there in front of a 7 yard paper looking for the dot. You will slap that trigger like it owes you money and move right along.



#16 GuruOfGuns

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 04:01 AM

Maybe if you used your sights your grip and index would develop around the information gathered from those sights. 

 

This is different than adjusting your grip to give better control and natural index. 

 

Just my opinion developed over the centuries, using the sights all the time is the best way to become a great shooter when not using the sights. The same precision provided by the sights that is unnecessary to make hits on big close targets also forces you to put the pistol in exactly the same place in front of your eye. Consistently placing the pistol where your eye is looking trains you to do so when you aren't focusing on the sights. Information gained from the sights is real time, scoring the target afterwards obviously isn't and not as valuable.

 

I also have to say I've done the same thing you are doing along with many other people, you are still aiming but just with the top of the slide or whatever. So all it proves is you shoot less accurately with a shitty form of sights.


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