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[waktasz]

If he didn't spend 28% of the show talking about his dogs, I might actually listen to it. Bought the summit. Own it. Haven't been able to make myself listen to him due to his 45 minute podcasts with 8 minutes of shooting info packed into them.

 

I found out my podcast player app will play audio at 150% and it is still quite listenable. 

[Larry Costa]

I missed Steoger's.

But there is nothing new under the sun. Of the others I watched related to shooting, nothing new.

[Woodieproject]

I liked it but I thought they should've spent some time talking about trigger pinning that some people do.

[MemphisMechanic]

I liked it but I thought they should've spent some time talking about trigger pinning that some people do.

And The sarcasm award goes to...

By the fifth interview I, too, wanted to veer into oncoming traffic each time Aric would pose that inevitable question about "the pull and pin."

It got to the point where his use of that phrase made me want to punch a baby while wearing brass knuckles.

[beerbaron]

Lol. I only watched stegger, taran, smith, bragg maybe one or two others. It was ok. Not sure I can find the $20 value but some was interesting.

[J.A.Nine]

LOL, Langdon on Glocks and cops shooting themselves and ADs

[George]

LOL, Langdon on Glocks and cops shooting themselves and ADs

I think he makes a valid point. And now, will all the departments bought into "safe action", they can't afford to admit they might have prevented ND's, had they stuck with DA/SA. 

[Flexmoney]

What?

[Miculek is a Noob]

I missed Steoger's.

But there is nothing new under the sun. Of the others I watched related to shooting, nothing new.

 

There hasn't been anything new in the shooting sports world since 9 years ago when Stegger said "I think this dryfire thing might be a good idea".

[peterthefish]

I think he makes a valid point. And now, will all the departments bought into "safe action", they can't afford to admit they might have prevented ND's, had they stuck with DA/SA.

Because DA/SA guns prevent complacency? Let's be real, cops have a long and storied history of NDs whether they are armed revolvers, DA/SAs, 1911s, or Glocks. Their issue guns. Their backup guns. I read a story recently about a cop who had an ND with a blue gun, and I'm still not entirely sure that was satire.

Shit here's one with a backup revolver!
https://www.google.c.../?client=safari

[George]

Because DA/SA guns prevent complacency? Let's be real, cops have a long and storied history of NDs whether they are armed revolvers, DA/SAs, 1911s, or Glocks. Their issue guns. Their backup guns. I read a story recently about a cop who had an ND with a blue gun, and I'm still not entirely sure that was satire.

Shit here's one with a backup revolver!
https://www.google.c.../?client=safari

at least with a revolver, they can only ND 6 times before reloading.  

[Flexmoney]

?   So, the ultimate stopping point for Langdon's thinking is...

[George]

What?

Paraphrasing Ernst Langdon, he said it was easier to get officers to pass the target shooting qualification with a "safe action" than with a DA/SA or DAO (revolver or semiauto) because of the lighter trigger and shorter travel. But the officers did not necessarily develop the requisite trigger finger discipline or safe gun handling, directly correlating the higher incidences of ND's with the adoption of "safe action" type triggers.   

[George]

?   So, the ultimate stopping point for Langdon's thinking is...

I think his point is more training and familiarity is needed with whatever pistol you carry...and if you're not competent and safe with a gun with less room for error, maybe you get the Barney Fife rig until you're more competent.  

 

A University of Cincinnati cop popped a dude in the head and killed him last year at a traffic stop.  The Sam Dubose dude was certainly riff-raff, but looking at the video, it does not seem he did anything that warranted getting shot for. I suspect the cop did not mean to shoot him in the head, I suspect he wanted to draw and point the gun at him and had an ND. https://youtu.be/Z0c...jrSjyc?t=1m50s 

 

UC police switched from SIG 229 to SIG 320's shortly before the incident, according to this article.   http://www.cincinnat...ting/32339335/      

 

It would be interesting to see stats on ND's with the various type actions

[Flexmoney]

...and the female cop in Vegas (popular video from a number of years back) that popped off a shot as her coworker was cuffing a guy on the ground...she was using a Beretta, IIRC.  [I'm not going to link it.  You've seen it or can find it if desired.]

 

 

It's BS.  If EL sees it in training/quals it can and should be corrected.  If not, fail the student.  It is ethical to do so. 

 

 But the officers did not necessarily develop the requisite trigger finger discipline or safe gun handling, directly correlating the higher incidences of ND's with the adoption of "safe action" type triggers.   

 

[peterthefish]

...and the female cop in Vegas (popular video from a number of years back) that popped off a shot as her coworker was cuffing a guy on the ground...she was using a Beretta, IIRC. [I'm not going to link it. You've seen it or can find it if desired.]


It's BS. If EL sees it in training/quals it can and should be corrected. If not, fail the student. It is ethical to do so.

This. The only reason anyone could blame NDs on changing from a DA/SA gun to a Glock would be that they're used to staging the DA trigger. Which is a training issue, not a gun issue.

[J.A.Nine]

...and the female cop in Vegas (popular video from a number of years back) that popped off a shot as her coworker was cuffing a guy on the ground...she was using a Beretta, IIRC.  [I'm not going to link it.  You've seen it or can find it if desired.]

 

 

It's BS.  If EL sees it in training/quals it can and should be corrected.  If not, fail the student.  It is ethical to do so. 

Langdon said that the switch to Glocks by the FBI was because of lawsuit filed by a trainee who failed her quals because she lacked the strength for DA trigger pulls

[Miculek is a Noob]

Langdon said that the switch to Glocks by the FBI was because of lawsuit filed by a trainee who failed her quals because she lacked the strength for DA trigger pulls

The same FBI cunt that fucked up the full boat 10mm loading and caused the 40 S&W, according to legend.

[funshoot]

Because DA/SA guns prevent complacency? Let's be real, cops have a long and storied history of NDs whether they are armed revolvers, DA/SAs, 1911s, or Glocks. Their issue guns. Their backup guns. I read a story recently about a cop who had an ND with a blue gun, and I'm still not entirely sure that was satire.

 

DoD has been using DA/SA since 1985 and military personnel do not lack for NDs.

 

It's BS.  If EL sees it in training/quals it can and should be corrected.  If not, fail the student.  It is ethical to do so. 

 

This. Except it never happens. Military personnel continue to believe they should be entitled to issue small arms even when range results indicate otherwise.

[busdriver]

In the vast world of using guns for professional reasons, there are very few actual shooters and handguns are almost always an annoying heavy appliance that weighs down folks' belts.