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#41 Buck Turgidson

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 10:45 AM

If there's a casual club match I just take the procedural and shoot in illegal gear, no concealment.

 

Till you get some dickweed SO: FTDR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Posted 28 December 2016 - 01:07 PM

Unless it's a local range where I know everyone I'm not bothering to shoot IDPA on even a casual level.


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Posted 28 December 2016 - 01:18 PM

The only/best reason to shoot IDPA is to hurt feelings. 


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Posted 28 December 2016 - 01:48 PM

Unless it's a local range where I know everyone I'm not bothering to shoot IDPA on even a casual level.

 

The only/best reason to shoot IDPA is to hurt feelings. 

 

And even then I'm struggling.  But waktasz has a point.


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Posted 28 December 2016 - 02:38 PM

It's pretty much there as a trolling opportunity.



#46 MemphisMechanic

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 09:16 PM

The only/best reason to shoot IDPA is to hurt feelings.

I'm not going to lie, much of my motivation to work toward making M / GM is to hop back over across the fence and seriously hurt some feelings.
I won an IDPA match once. It was neat.

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 09:45 PM

I'm not going to lie, much of my motivation to work toward making M / GM is to hop back over across the fence and seriously have my feelings hurt with bullshit cover calls.


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Posted 28 December 2016 - 10:40 PM

It's not worth it. That's like getting a black belt and going over to a dojo to beat up some kids in blue belts ;)



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Posted 28 December 2016 - 11:05 PM

Nope. Wilsons were building "hi caps", what do you think Jerry Barnhardt was shooting back then? And many other Wilson team shooters.

 

If you think IDPA is why Wilson Combat has grown into the giant successful business it is now I don' think you've done much research, start with how many people shoot Wilson pistols in IDPA.

 

Bill Wilson was one of the original founders of IPSC/USPSA, he served on the board many years and donated a shit load of money into USPSA and supported a lot of shooters. No doubt he wanted there to be a division where a 1911 std capacity pistol could still be competitive. The reason there is so much confusion and misinformation about all this is because there are so few people still around or give a shit to tell the real story. It's easier just to believe Wilson got mad and started his own sport.  You have to realize how USPSA developed from a bring a pistol and shoot to a arms race, how much even small things like 8 round magazines becoming a reality changed the game at the time, then compensators, then 38 super, then double stack guns in 38 super with optical sights. The technical progress outstripped the rule book. There were times when you could actually buy a huge competitive advantage. Example when a few double stack frames became available and where allowed to compete directly against low capacity guns, at the local level you would see round counts expanded to the limit of the new double stack the match director just got.

 

So in time the idea of a Limited Division was floated and promised to be a back to basic 1911 Division so the masses of people who only had a single stack 45 wouldn't have to compete directly against a Caspian double stack 38 super. Bill Wilson was on board with this, long story short the script got flipped and Limited became nothing but Open without optics. It had nothing to do with selling more guns, Wilson Combat has never had a problem selling guns, it was all about shady dealings. The people controlling USPA at the time for some reason where influenced in the direction of everyone buying new equipment if they wanted to play and weren't concerned about losing people who wanted to be competitive with what they had. Anyone should be able to figure out where that influence came from.  Wilson felt like he had been lied to so he left and later started IDPA with the idea of getting back to the roots of Practical Shooting. Where things went sideways was his not wanting to run the program and trusting people to run IDPA that he shouldn't, that's still the problem with it.

 

TL:DR: Wilson couldn't build Open guns that ran reliably.


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 08:29 AM

FIFY

Didn't you get the memo? They're using fault lines now.
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Posted 29 December 2016 - 09:40 AM

Didn't you get the memo? They're confused by fault lines now.


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 11:20 AM

Didn't you get the memo? They're confused by fault lines now.

You should have made it "angered by".

Find a forum with passionate IDPA shooters. They're not wild about how this is going to work; all this standing inside of real lines rather than tiptoeing along an imaginary one.
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Posted 29 December 2016 - 11:57 AM

Find a forum with passionate IDPA shooters. They're not wild about how this is going to work; all this standing inside of real lines rather than tiptoeing along an imaginary one.

 

Those are the ones who still think IDPA is some sort of tactical simulation.  As much as it pains me to say this, James Yeager was right.


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Posted 29 December 2016 - 12:06 PM

It's a shame, it could be fun.

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Posted 29 December 2016 - 12:15 PM

As much as it pains me to say this, James Yeager was right.


I mean you say enough shit, eventually you'll get one right. Statistics and shit!
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Posted 29 December 2016 - 01:07 PM

You should have made it "angered by".

Find a forum with passionate IDPA shooters. They're not wild about how this is going to work; all this standing inside of real lines rather than tiptoeing along an imaginary one.


To be fair, it's not the fault line itself people are pissed about. The way the fault lines were implemented is going to restrict target placement and force stages to be even simpler than they are now.

Plenty of real reasons to shit on IDPA and IDPA shooters. No need to make up imaginary ones.

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Posted 29 December 2016 - 11:45 PM

They just need to man up and let MD/stage designers use fault lines creatively and make a real shooting sport out of it.

They have themselves between a self-inflicted rock and a hard place and are too proud to change the game so they can win.
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Posted 30 December 2016 - 11:52 AM

IME there's three groups of IDPA shooters

  1. Those who think it's tactical training/practice
  2. Those who refuse to do anything even remotely similar to what USPSA does
  3. Those who just want to shoot, compete, and have fun

The breakdown is probably 10%, 10%, 80% respectively.  The problem comes because that 20% is probably 85% of IDPA's "leadership"


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 04:08 PM

IME there's three groups of IDPA shooters

  • Those who think it's tactical training/practice
  • Those who refuse to do anything even remotely similar to what USPSA does
  • Those who just want to shoot, compete, and have fun
The breakdown is probably 10%, 10%, 80% respectively.  The problem comes because that 20% is probably 85% of IDPA's "leadership"
And that 85% is 100% stupid.

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 06:49 PM

TL:DR: Wilson couldn't build Open guns that ran reliably.

 

 

For sure everyone was struggling back then to get open guns reliable but that is just not true.  A lot of the problems just as now was with ammo, open guns require high quality ammo and many USPSA shooters are tight wads when it comes to ammo components. Too many championships won for you to be correct shreek again, Barnhardt and others shot Wilson open guns.


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