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#1 Race taco's brother

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Posted 07 February 2017 - 09:20 PM

I have an opportunity to attend a 2 day steel challenge class with jj.

Never having any formal training, I am very interested.

I enjoy steel shooting and want to spend this season improving my steel game.

You all have been there and done that.

What should I expect?
What should I bring?
How should I prepare?
What have you gained from attending a class with a pro?

Thanks
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Posted 07 February 2017 - 09:42 PM

I was on the phone with JJ and saw this post so I asked him.  He said, "Expect the unexpected.  Bring nothing you aren't prepared to lose, but if [he] had to boil it down to one thing, at least bring the class fee."  On preparation he said, "The better you shoot the more incremental the gains, so for maximum value do not prepare at all.  But if you don't want us to laugh at you and start a thread on Enos that is ostensibly anonymous but yet contains information making your identity easily known, then practice like fucking crazy."

 

As to what you gain from the class, that's easy:  motivation.  Motivation to improve your game that is guaranteed to last longer than it takes JJ to forget every single element of any interaction he must endure with you to monetize, even in this sad and modest way, the years of effort and hard fought success he has achieved, no part of which does he owe to any class he ever took.


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Posted 07 February 2017 - 10:40 PM

Not the response I was hoping for, but...

Trigger Warning, I like you man...









I like you

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 06:29 AM

I think, like most educational experiences, it's about being an active learner and willingness to do the work. Get in as many reps as you can while you're there and actually give a shit while you're doing them.

 

When I took Ben's class last June, I got a bit more attention and pushed quite a lot harder than most of the other attendees. While I can only speculate as to why that happen, I would venture a guess that Ben realized I was there to learn as much as possible. While everyone else shot the sample stage between drill reps 3 or 4 times, I shot it no less than a dozen... I was pasting and stuffing mags as quickly as I could to get another go (and shout out to Ron and Lori Casper for running me through). 

 

Teachers recognize students who *actually* want to be there. I suggest being one of them. 


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 07:27 AM

Not the response I was hoping for, but...
Trigger Warning, I like you man...
I like you

I suggest you bring your ,,,,fucking game face!
What's up with the man crush Bro?

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 08:04 AM

Bring your cell and ask JJ to take a selfie so you can post it on Facebook. That's what all of the cool kids do at classes like that.
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Posted 08 February 2017 - 08:15 AM

I have an opportunity to attend a 2 day steel challenge class with jj.

Never having any formal training, I am very interested.

I enjoy steel shooting and want to spend this season improving my steel game.

You all have been there and done that.

What should I expect?
What should I bring?
How should I prepare?


Thanks
RTB

‚ÄčMaybe you should send JJ these questions in an email. Juuuuust sayin.



#8 Race taco's brother

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 08:47 AM

Thanks Trigger Warning, Slivgod, and Ben.

I am going to reach out to JJ with these questions for the instructors advice. I don't want to waste his/my time not being prepared for his class.

I was hoping to get the opinions of doodie students about attending training.

Have any of you had steel challenge instruction?
Trained with JJ?
What extras to throw in the range bag for 2 days of training?
How did you all hold up physically/mentally after 2 days of training?

Thanks

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 08:53 AM

1. Have any of you had steel challenge instruction? 

2. Trained with JJ?
3. What extras to throw in the range bag for 2 days of training?
4. How did you all hold up physically/mentally after 2 days of training?

Thanks

1. Ben made us shoot a lot of steel. Does that count? 

2. No.

3. Way more ammo than you think you'll need, backup gun(s), enough hydration and snacks for 3 days, sun screen, a bandana you can keep soaked if it's going to be hot, and basic first aid stuff. 

4. If you're "switched on," it's pretty mentally taxing since you're trying to remember a 1000 things, analyze 1000 things, and still do the shooting thing. Physically it's not bad if you stay hydrated. I popped a couple aspirin on day 2 to ignore the muscle soreness (I was also running all over the fucking place. If you're lazy, it's a walk in the park. Just find a nice chair in the shade)


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 08:58 AM

Great info. Thanks

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 09:02 AM

Slivgod.
How long did it take you to implement what you learned in class into your matches?
Going to take more classes?
Was your experience more about fixing probs, improving weaknesses, learning new techniques?

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 09:13 AM

Slivgod.
How long did it take you to implement what you learned in class into your matches?
Going to take more classes?
Was your experience more about fixing probs, improving weaknesses, learning new techniques?

Some parts, almost immediately. Other parts, months. Depends on how difficult the "fix" was. 

 

Yes, I would like to take the Skills & Drills class (or whatever the more advanced one is called). 

 

I took 2 classes at very different skills levels in my own shooting. The first was about learning new techniques. The second was about refining them, fixing problems, and improving on weakness (and strengths). YMMV


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Posted 08 February 2017 - 12:48 PM

I've had some private Steel Challenge instruction from a non-big name GM. He helped me drop from 3.5 to a personal best of 2.38 on speed option. It's worth it to get some training if you plan to take Steel Challenge seriously. Bring lots of ammo. I think they guys that took Max's class used 1500 rounds over 2 days.
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Posted 08 February 2017 - 03:36 PM

1500 rounds over two days? I would have carpal tunnel like a motherfucker after the first 1000.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 04:34 PM

From a friend who took two days of privates with JJ, he is not afraid of shooting ammo. He shot almost 1800 rounds over two days and JJ shot almost as much with him. If you're range fit and can go at a good clip for 8 hours you will be at that pace for 8 hours, day after day.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 05:37 PM

1500 rounds over two days? I would have carpal tunnel like a motherfucker after the first 1000.


Just focus on how you are old, fat, and out of shape...and then stop doing that. That will be $6, you're welcome, PM for my paypal info.
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Posted 08 February 2017 - 05:57 PM

I'm a skinny millennial bro, my hands just can't take a constant beating on that level without damage.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 06:01 PM

Ok, then just focus on how your two mom's focused on how being yourself is more important than not being a little bitch. Then do the opposite.
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Posted 08 February 2017 - 06:57 PM

Silvgod gave some really good tips.

If you buy what he's saying, you're gonna need 1000 to 1500 rounds. You should also bring a first aid kit cause it's gonna tear up your hands a bit shooting that much ammo. You could slip and fall and need to clean the wound, jam your hand on a nail when your setting up a stage. Listen to your body and don't push to the point where you break shit.

Finally bring a notebook cause you will learn not just from what the instructor tells you, but when you hear him coach others.

Lastly, yes you want to work hard but have some fun.

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Posted 08 February 2017 - 07:42 PM

Thanks for all the great replies!
Very helpful
I'm real excited for the opportunity.




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