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#61 shmella

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 06:06 AM

You're ditching the gun cause he's a dick then?  Good luck with the sale.  For whatever it's worth, there was a rash of custom builder /open gun drama at one of the clubs I shot at back in VA.   One dude was getting no communication on a late build from Akai, which subsequently didn't run right, I started having feeding problems on a Czechmate (eventually figured it out) and was looking for a backup/something new.  

 

The consensus on best course of action seemed to be 9mm: Limcat, 38SC: Infinity.  I had already impulse bought the CK at that point.  It worked out, but based on the examples of the previous two that I've shot, I can't say that it's bad advice.

Yup, ditching the gun because he is a dick. My gun says Atlas on the slide and every time I see the name I want to take a file to the thing and scrape the name off of it. But thats a retarded thing to do to my "investment" (LOL) so up for sale. I'll buy a used gun and put a deposit down on another and go through this shit all over again with another tard that doesnt know his ass from his head (Custom gun builder)



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Posted 01 June 2017 - 06:31 AM

It's amazingly disappointing how few really talented gunbuilders who are also functional humans are out there.

This is not directed at one in particular but it's shocking how many turn out to be fuckwits (at best), careless/incompetent (seems to happen as their popularity grows), or just straight out crooks (see pred tactical et al).

Building decent guns is about:

50% being able to follow the 1911 bible, read instruments correctly, basically be averagely competent with basic machining operations and working with precise measurements and simple hand tools
10% choosing the correct parts
10% having the right specialist tools, jigs, cnc programs, cutters etc
10% attention to detail and QC - aka 'giving a fuck'
10% actual specialist 2011 knowledge, ie what comp works or doesn't, stroking, little reliability tricks etc aka 'tooning'.
10% service. Standing behind your product, listening to customers (even the dumb fucks and the pedants), being a decent human, putting out guns in reasonable time (like sub 12 weeks not 12 months). And being flexible about what your customer wants in a gun - not just 'this is how we do them'.

I can think of builders that by that scale get 80% or so but I can't think of one that ranks 100%. Some barely hit the 50% mark.

I think there's an extra little bit that would fit somewhere which is that innate skill/talent for gun smithing. But the other bits are functionally more important.

Svi are close but their wait time is pretty unreasonable, price is eye watering and they aren't particularly flexible (ie they won't build 9major open guns).

Considering the money in it I'm surprised no one has really belted it out of the park.

Atlas seemed close. I'd love to hear what your questions were and what happened if you want to share/vent (even by pm).

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Posted 01 June 2017 - 06:37 AM

It's amazingly disappointing how few really talented gunbuilders who are also functional humans are out there.

This is not directed at one in particular but it's shocking how many turn out to be fuckwits (at best), careless/incompetent (seems to happen as their popularity grows), or just straight out crooks (see pred tactical et al).

Building decent guns is about:

50% being able to follow the 1911 bible, read instruments correctly, basically be averagely competent with basic machining operations and working with precise measurements and simple hand tools
10% choosing the correct parts
10% having the right specialist tools, jigs, cnc programs, cutters etc
10% attention to detail and QC - aka 'giving a fuck'
10% actual specialist 2011 knowledge, ie what comp works or doesn't, stroking, little reliability tricks etc aka 'tooning'.
10% service. Standing behind your product, listening to customers (even the dumb fucks and the pedants), being a decent human, putting out guns in reasonable time (like sub 12 weeks not 12 months). And being flexible about what your customer wants in a gun - not just 'this is how we do them'.

I can think of builders that by that scale get 80% or so but I can't think of one that ranks 100%. Some barely hit the 50% mark.

I think there's an extra little bit that would fit somewhere which is that innate skill/talent for gun smithing. But the other bits are functionally more important.

Svi are close but their wait time is pretty unreasonable, price is eye watering and they aren't particularly flexible (ie they won't build 9major open guns).

Considering the money in it I'm surprised no one has really belted it out of the park.

Atlas seemed close. I'd love to hear what your questions were and what happened if you want to share/vent (even by pm).

Not that I think its going to get much attention but I am going to wait till someone forks over $4XXX.xx   to me before I go full disclosure. I will put it all out there though. I was being a little nit picky I guess, but at the same time if I give you almost $6000 I think that earns me that right.

Edit to add. you nailed it on the head with your comments. I dont understand why the concept is so rarely found.



#64 shmella

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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:33 AM

It's amazingly disappointing how few really talented gunbuilders who are also functional humans are out there.

This is not directed at one in particular but it's shocking how many turn out to be fuckwits (at best), careless/incompetent (seems to happen as their popularity grows), or just straight out crooks (see pred tactical et al).

Building decent guns is about:

50% being able to follow the 1911 bible, read instruments correctly, basically be averagely competent with basic machining operations and working with precise measurements and simple hand tools
10% choosing the correct parts
10% having the right specialist tools, jigs, cnc programs, cutters etc
10% attention to detail and QC - aka 'giving a fuck'
10% actual specialist 2011 knowledge, ie what comp works or doesn't, stroking, little reliability tricks etc aka 'tooning'.
10% service. Standing behind your product, listening to customers (even the dumb fucks and the pedants), being a decent human, putting out guns in reasonable time (like sub 12 weeks not 12 months). And being flexible about what your customer wants in a gun - not just 'this is how we do them'.

I can think of builders that by that scale get 80% or so but I can't think of one that ranks 100%. Some barely hit the 50% mark.

I think there's an extra little bit that would fit somewhere which is that innate skill/talent for gun smithing. But the other bits are functionally more important.

Svi are close but their wait time is pretty unreasonable, price is eye watering and they aren't particularly flexible (ie they won't build 9major open guns).

Considering the money in it I'm surprised no one has really belted it out of the park.

Atlas seemed close. I'd love to hear what your questions were and what happened if you want to share/vent (even by pm).

Speaking of SVI I might have a deal in the works for a brand new infinity Open 9 major. Thanks for the Bump on enos BTW. I have a solid offer from a guy whos been interested and I think the more he sees the post the more antsy hes getting. We will see



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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:40 AM

Screw open. Just buy 2 outfitted Tanfo Stock 2's with slide mounted optics for Carry Open. Those will run and only cost half the price of an SVI.



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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:42 AM

Screw open. Just buy 2 outfitted Tanfo Stock 2's with slide mounted optics for Carry Open. Those will run and only cost half the price of an SVI.

Yea but no one shoots carry open. In my area the heat is pretty much in open and production. not that I can compete with them yet but I want to be able to. A red dot is more fun.



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Posted 02 June 2017 - 07:47 AM

Screw open. Just buy 2 outfitted Tanfo Stock 2's with slide mounted optics for Carry Open. Those will run and only cost half the price of an SVI.

And on another note, say in a year or two I do say screw open, I can sell this SVI in a couple of hours on enos for 5000-6000$ and buy a couple tanfos or whatever new hotness is the production go to. One thing about the SV's is they seem to hold their value more than any other gun out there.



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Posted 02 June 2017 - 08:31 AM

And on another note, say in a year or two I do say screw open, I can sell this SVI in a couple of hours on enos for 5000-6000$ and buy a couple tanfos or whatever new hotness is the production go to. One thing about the SV's is they seem to hold their value more than any other gun out there.


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Posted 05 June 2017 - 05:46 AM

I really need to ramp up my training. I shot a match with a limited gun in 9mm that I aquired on a whim to shoot some steel matches that allow you to run multiple guns in the same day. The reason I shot that was because its pretty much the only gun I have now since I sold my open gun and revolver to pay for the new SV IMM which should be coming this week.

 

I shot the match just to get some more matches under my belt and to more or less experience the match. it was a new club I had never been to but ended up squadding with some guys i regularly shoot with. It really points out to my that my mental game and stage execution needs some serious attention. Still trying to figure out how to attack it. Reading with winning in mind again has to happen this week. I have been putting off making more target stands because of laziness and lack of time that I want to spend doing it, but It will help since it will allow me to set up some mini stages that I can go through in practice. Every wednesday at my club they hold a uspsa practice which is essentially one or two stages they set up and you can run them a few times. like a mini match you can attempt a few runs at. I am going to go to it because it will somewhat simulate some pressure (since 10 or more guys will be there watching and waiting for their turn) and I think it will help me suck less.

 

For the second time this year I had a stage time recorded wrong that I noticed when looking back at the results posted. I should have placed 3rd in limited shooting minor behind two M class guys but one of my better runs was scored 28.58 instead of 20.58. I will be paying more attention to the time the RO says and the time that gets scored. theyre just local matches but Id like to be able to review the correct scores after the fact to see where I am getting beat. Its one of the only stages I have on video which is how I noticed it when I saw 28 seconds on practiscore my first thought was that there is no way I shot that stage that slow. I know everyone hates more rules lol but I think there should be a standard to how you record the times that you need to follow. Maybe there is but I dont know if it is an official standard. I know a lot of Ro's and nook wizards do it the same way where you repeat back to the ro the time but it would help to read the time off as individual numbers. "two zero point five eight" That should be a standard way to record it IMO. regardless if I dont ramp up my practice it wont matter if my score gets recorded correctly or not. I need to step it up a notch.


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 06:47 AM

Well havent really ramped up training but started messing around with the new gat. Sv makes a nice gun but Im battling a new ejection issue. Upright Cmores suck especially with a two sided mount. Dont know if it is mag related or poor ammo or just the wrong load for the gun. I have a few things im going to try. I already took the thumb safety to the bench grinder and dremeled the shit trying to make it fit my hand. The ambi safety looked super clean and had some cool lines, but they didnt agree with my hands so I rounded off some edges and started hacking away with the dremel. The ambi safety on the ejection side gets bumped by my strong hand and gouges into the bone on my scrawny ass hands. Theres just too much material there. Im going to really attack this thing with the dremel some more. If I really fuck it up to the point of no return I'll have my gunsmith fit a new safety that agrees with my hands, Sorry Infinity..



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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:11 AM

I screwed around with an upright c-more a little during my rage quit on RTS2 episode.  I ended up deciding an offset single sided mount was the way to go if you want an upright cmore, I stuck with the mini-dot.

 

I'm assuming you're getting the spent cases jamming in the ejection port?  If so, they're bouncing off the mount and back into the port as the slide is closing.

 

The "experts" on benos insisted a 9mm could be tuned to work right with an upright mount, but you'd have to sort out cases by headstamp.  I experimented with this idea, the best I could do was ballpark 1 or 2 ejection jams per 200 rounds by cutting the back of the mount off and tuning the ejector.  Then I came to the conclusion; there's no chance I'm going to sort cases by headstamp even if I got it to work.  



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Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:02 AM

I screwed around with an upright c-more a little during my rage quit on RTS2 episode.  I ended up deciding an offset single sided mount was the way to go if you want an upright cmore, I stuck with the mini-dot.

 

I'm assuming you're getting the spent cases jamming in the ejection port?  If so, they're bouncing off the mount and back into the port as the slide is closing.

 

The "experts" on benos insisted a 9mm could be tuned to work right with an upright mount, but you'd have to sort out cases by headstamp.  I experimented with this idea, the best I could do was ballpark 1 or 2 ejection jams per 200 rounds by cutting the back of the mount off and tuning the ejector.  Then I came to the conclusion; there's no chance I'm going to sort cases by headstamp even if I got it to work.  

Yup, hitting the scope and boucing back in, even with same headstamp. I did discover that the load I made up for it was suffering from Setback when chambering so I want to address that first and retest at a lower PF to see if anything changes. The load I made up was in the 175-178pf range and that didnt help ejection at all. I put up the mount and dot for trade or sale so once it sells Ill switch to a mini dot on a mount that doesnt intentionally blanket the ejection port. I picked up a case of MG bullets cheap and was reminded of why I switched to a U die. It seems that any die other than a U die in 9mm I can push a Montanagold bullet into the case. Only happens with MG too. Just chambering the round reduces the OAL .010-.020. not good and might be part of the problem? Im switching to a mini dot, just a matter of whenever the dot and mount on the gun now sells.



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Posted 12 June 2017 - 12:16 PM

Since my range diary sucks, heres a video. The only stage my gun ran without a jam yesterday. A revo shooting RO is borderline in the way when retreating uprange so I feel like that is somewhat relevant too. I put my B class skills/bad habits on display and make up a C hit with an A which was a waste of about .3 seconds.

 

Also, I would like to note that in the moment I felt like I had to be doing at least 30 MPH when running and was kicking up some serious dirt clouds from my 20$ nike cleats but upon review I realize I wasnt moving all that fast at all.

 



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Posted 12 June 2017 - 01:58 PM

I would have left the pin on the table, entered the shooting area, hit the cardboard, then one step back for the pin and get the steel / forward targets. You lost time standing still loading the gun so you could grab the pin.

Of course, I'm fat, slow, and can't shoot for shit so take it for what its worth.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 02:35 PM

I would have left the pin on the table, entered the shooting area, hit the cardboard, then one step back for the pin and get the steel / forward targets. You lost time standing still loading the gun so you could grab the pin.

Of course, I'm fat, slow, and can't shoot for shit so take it for what its worth.

yup I think that would have been a better way to do it. Never thought to take the first three then go back for the pin. Could have had the load done by the time I entered the shooting area. I dont remember the exact stage briefing but they kept adding things to make sure you couldnt leave the pin on the table but probably could have went back for it like you said. Dont care, got a stage win. And stage wins are all that matters. (no GM's showed up to this match but a wins a win)



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Posted 27 June 2017 - 05:45 AM

Been dryfiring but kind of haphazardly. Had a week where the gun had no red dot on it and instead of making use of it and at least practicing something, I basically left it on the bench for most of the week and threw a reload into it here and there. Got a mini dot mounted on the gun which hopefully solves the ejection into the scope mount problem but it is open so I doubt I will get that lucky. On a positive note, I think I'm developing some tendonitis in my weak hand from the way I have been gripping the gun in dryfire. If I squeeze hard I now feel a shooting pain in my forearm/wrist area. I blame Ben for preaching to strangle the gun with your weak hand like it owes you money. Im not really sure what to do for it from here but last night when dryfiring the pain was much more significant than it has ever felt before. I'm headed to the range after work, but its probably going to be raining and will be forced into the indoor range so I will more than likely just shoot the dots drill.



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Posted 27 June 2017 - 07:03 AM

I'd love to have a 9mm IMM.  But the 9mm tuning is certainly frustrating.  Last I checked, SVI won't make the IMM in 9 anymore.  The STI DVC I witnessed getting tuned to working order took an RTS2, and ejector and extractor work, but it does run.


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Posted 27 June 2017 - 09:27 AM

I know that some here are not fans of grip training but you might consider a set of the Expand Your Hans Bands and a light gripper. Dry fire is mostly isometric, some motion exercise may help offset that.

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Posted 27 June 2017 - 09:55 AM

I know that some here are not fans of grip training but you might consider a set of the Expand Your Hans Bands and a light gripper. Dry fire is mostly isometric, some motion exercise may help offset that.

Thats what I was thinking last night when it got too uncomfortable to continue. Holding a tight squeeze is the problem so maybe youre right, some light motion exercise like the bands thing you said (I just looked up) might help. I have been a little lazy in the gym lately but holding onto a bar, squeezing tightly, isnt foreign to me (insert dick/gay joke here). admittedly I havent done a deadlift in almost 6 months but I have still benched and worked out back regularly (pulling motion) so my grip strength isnt entirely girl like.



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Posted 27 June 2017 - 10:27 PM

The real question is where is the ful atlas story we were promised!!?
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