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#1 Low&left

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 03:02 PM

USPSA - NROI Production Gun List

 

 

K45 45ACP (32 oz.), HK45 Compact 45ACP (28.2 oz.), P 30L 9mm (27.6 oz.), P2000 (22 oz.), P30 9mm (25.6 oz.), P30L 40SW (27.6 oz.), P30L v3 9mm (28 oz.), P30LS V1 .40 S&W (29 oz.), P30LS V1 9mm (28.2 oz.), P30LS V3 9mm (27.5 oz.), P7 (28 oz.), P8 (25.3 oz.), USP 45 Auto (30.4 oz.), USP 9mm (27.1 oz.), USP Compact 9mm (25.5 oz.), USP Compact .40 S&W (26.4 oz.), USP Compact 45 Auto (28.2 oz.), USP Compact Stainless 9mm (25.5 oz.), USP Compact Tactical .45 (30.1 oz.), USP Expert 40S&W 5.19 Barrel (33.2 oz.), USP Expert 9mm 5.19 barrel (33.2 oz.), USP Tactical 40 .40 S&W (32.4 oz.), USP Tactical 45 .45acp (32.5 oz.), USP Tactical 9mm (29.2 oz.), USP40 .40S&W (29.2 oz.), USP9SD 9mm (28.2 oz.), VP9 9mm 4.09 inch barrel (25.26 oz.)
Tactical models in DAO only. USP Expert models with mag-wells not allowed. DAO DA/SA models only. P30L in .40 SW added 2/21/17 USP Expert and Combat Competition not allowed due to magwell.

 

I have a USP Tactical 9mm that I would like to shoot in production.

 

The gun is on the list, followed by what appears to be the caveat that only DAO models are allowed followed by a "DSO DA/SA models only." sentence which seems to be attached to nothing in particular.

 

My questions are:

 

1. Is a variant 1 DA/SA USP Tactical 9mm allowed in production class?

2. If not what is the floating DA/SA sentence referring to?

3. If this model is not allowed in production, why?

4. What is the proper procedure for receiving clarification of such rules in USPSA?

 

I get that as a new shooter I am going to get smashed either way and could just stick with a Glock 19... still, I prefer to shoot the DA/SA.

I am also aware that I don't currently own a gun that is popular in USPSA.



#2 ron169

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 03:08 PM

Email DNROI@uspsa.org
For easy questions, he generally responds within a day.

#3 Low&left

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 03:22 PM

Email DNROI@uspsa.org
For easy questions, he generally responds within a day.

Thanks!



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Posted 22 March 2017 - 03:26 PM

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 03:59 PM

Just use it and play dumb, no one cares what a U or D class shooter is using.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 04:52 PM

Yeah. I wouldn't let minutiae keep me from shooting while waiting on an answer.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 05:19 PM

1.  The DAO statement applies to VP9 Tactical.

2.  The floating DAO DA/SA models only is an overall statement that they must be either DAO or DA/SA, no single action only guns in production.

3.  Not a rules lawyer, but that is the way I read it, should be good to go as is.

4.  Has been well and good answered already. 

 

In production you will be starting hammer down.  If it has a decocker, you use that.  If no decocker, start dry-fire practicing easing the hammer down all the way.


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 09:40 PM

I'm going to go a different direction and recommend you start in limited minor.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 05:39 PM

Just use it and play dumb, no one cares what a U or D class shooter is using.

 

Did you just assume his classification based on his ownership of an HK?

 

If so, well done.


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 07:45 PM

Did you just assume his classification based on his ownership of an HK?
 
If so, well done.

Plus I would think if you already had a respectable classification you could figure out the production list.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 09:07 PM

Did you just assume his classification based on his ownership of an HK?

 

If so, well done.

 

Hit me right in the feels he did



#12 aceinyerface

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 05:26 AM

USPSA - NROI Production Gun List
 

 
I have a USP Tactical 9mm that I would like to shoot in production.
 
The gun is on the list, followed by what appears to be the caveat that only DAO models are allowed followed by a "DSO DA/SA models only." sentence which seems to be attached to nothing in particular.
 
My questions are:
 
1. Is a variant 1 DA/SA USP Tactical 9mm allowed in production class?
2. If not what is the floating DA/SA sentence referring to?
3. If this model is not allowed in production, why?
4. What is the proper procedure for receiving clarification of such rules in USPSA?
 
I get that as a new shooter I am going to get smashed either way and could just stick with a Glock 19... still, I prefer to shoot the DA/SA.
I am also aware that I don't currently own a gun that is popular in USPSA.


Show up and ask what division you should be in with the HK.

You will likely get crushed no matter where they put you, so it doesn't matter. Go full out, buck wild retard fast. Fuck the points. Have fun and don't DQ.

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 07:07 AM

Show up and request the class you think should be in with the HK.
You will likely kick ass no matter what division they put you, so it doesn't matter. Go full out, buck wild retard fast. Fuck the points. Have fun and don't DQ.


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Posted 28 March 2017 - 12:51 PM

Did you just assume his classification based on his ownership of an HK?

If so, well done.

I know several good USPSA shooters who own an HK.

They just don't bring them to matches, since winning is more fun than Operating at the bottom of the leaderboard.

(My first carry gun was a USP45c - I don't know that I'll ever own another one.)
I won an IDPA match once. It was neat.

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 09:17 AM

I know several good USPSA shooters who own an HK.

They just don't bring them to matches, since winning is more fun than Operating at the bottom of the leaderboard.

(My first carry gun was a USP45c - I don't know that I'll ever own another one.)

 

For those that are more gun knowledgeable than I, what are the primary criticisms of HK / USPs? Their popularity in the LEO/Mil community vs USPSA shooters couldn't be more different.

 

As for me, my main interest in shooting that gun was A. It had the longest barrel of any handgun I own. B. sa/da triggers seemed to be preferable for USPSA.  



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Posted 29 March 2017 - 09:33 AM

Expensive, bad trigger, questionable ergonomics


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Posted 29 March 2017 - 11:21 AM

Traditionally they're not exactly aimed at or designed for optimum competitive efficiency. Great for the German military, not great for ripping up a course.

 

I have no complaints about my VP9, but there's no particular reason to ditch Glocks for one.



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Posted 29 March 2017 - 11:37 AM

Expensive, bad trigger, questionable ergonomics

This.

Also? Lack of aftermarket support for decent sights (Tactical guys have horrible taste in sights) and recoil springs and guide rods...

Also also? In both LEO/Mil and competitive circles, HK is legendary for customer service to the little guy that can only be described as horrific. We shoot a lot. You're about to shoot a lot when you get into this, too.

When you start wanting to replace half a dozen springs inside the gun annually, and begin to realize sears and extractors and the like aren't lifetime parts anymore... availability becomes a huge factor.
I won an IDPA match once. It was neat.

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 11:59 AM

From experience I can confirm the "HK hates you" customer experience jokes are bullshit, at least within the last few years. Just like any other decent company I send my shit in, they fix it, they send it back.



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Posted 29 March 2017 - 12:17 PM

For those that are more gun knowledgeable than I, what are the primary criticisms of HK / USPs? Their popularity in the LEO/Mil community vs USPSA shooters couldn't be more different.
 
As for me, my main interest in shooting that gun was A. It had the longest barrel of any handgun I own. B. sa/da triggers seemed to be preferable for USPSA.

Good sights and good trigger are far more important that barrel length. DA/SA is only more preferable is you put the time in to be proficient with it.





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