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#1 maximis228

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:04 AM

At the SNS 400 this weekend, there was a shooter on the squad in front of me (We were backed up on them all day long) that lost his shit on his squad due to an accidental pre-pasting, borderline unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

PCC Shooter shoots stage. Stage is pre-pasted before scoring is completed. On the re shoot he has a major malfunction that causes him to give up on a stage with a bunch of Mikes & FTEs. He loses his shit on his squad calling them all fucking idiots and retards. Demanding to know who fucked him (No one fessed up). This went on for a few minutes. Overall being a mega douche.

 

Someone on my squad asked what happened (Due to his temper tantrum) and he began to lose it even further. He says something along the lines of “I live close, I could just go home”. I reply “With that attitude, why don’t you” (How passive aggressive of me, I know…).

 

This started a back and forth between him and I that was mostly him calling me a prick and a fat fuck, while I just reiterate how he needs to be nicer to the guys he’s going to be hanging out with for the next few hours, regardless of the mistake.

 

Then his father (Shooter was mid 20’s, father was late 40’s to early 50’s) joins in on the name calling. Approaches me from 20 feet away and gets in my face. He tries to make me flinch a few times by pumping his shoulders like he was going to throw a punch. His son begins to “hold him back” and tell him it’s not worth it while continuing to call me a POS, Fat Fuck, and a prick.

 

At no point did the RO’s say anything to him or me. I asked the RO’s after the squad left, “at what point does someone’s behavior become unsportsmanlike conduct?” They said they were not sure.

 

Unrelated Note: Our squad finishes the same stage and then goes to lunch. As our squad is walking to lunch we see said PCC shooter walking back to the bay with his stuff to get a second reshoot. I ask the RM of the match about it and he said no one contacted him about anything regarding him or a second reshoot. No one knows why or how he got a second reshoot.


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:11 AM

Losing your shit isn't borderline, it's way over into the next time zone. That type of person needs to be ejected immediately and if needed be physically dragged away. People that act like that with that many armed folks around are pieces of shit.

 

If the ROs or RM didn't do anything I'd send an email and never go back, assuming your story is legit and you weren't instigating a fight.

 

Also, name names and bring witnesses. Don't be a drama party pooper.


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#3 maximis228

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:17 AM

Derek Martin was the shooter.

 

Jon Adlof was the one who asked the initial question from my squad.

 

Others in witness. Eric Kamps, Peter Carlson, Alfred Ladores.

 

I personally spoke with Tom Palmer about this issue specifically. Not a single RO or CRO approached him about this. It could be that it was out of ear shot of the RO/CRO of the stage. We were standing about 20 feet behind the canopy. I also asked the CRO of the stage about it and he said "I heard something going on but wasn't sure what it was about".

 

I will also say I didn't help the situation when the name calling from the father started. I was tossing em right back.



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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:20 AM

Are you fat? I mean, if you are...
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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:21 AM

Are you fat? I mean, if you are...

 

Absolutely


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:35 AM

10/10 would DQ the shooter, immediately after his run if he is cussing at his squad. Would DQ the father and you would likely be getting warning/possible DQ Maximis depending on how far into the weeds the shit throwing had gotten.

We're here to have fun and enjoy some time outside. If you want to get get in name calling and a slap fight, I know a few bars downtown that would love to have you.

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:36 AM

 

PCC Shooter shoots stage. On the re shoot he has a major malfunction. He loses his shit on his squad calling them all fucking idiots and retards.

 

What do we actually try to discuss here?


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:38 AM

Don't engage with trailer trash or PCC shooters. But of course I repeat myself.
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#9 maximis228

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 08:44 AM

you would likely be getting warning/possible DQ Maximis depending on how far into the weeds the shit throwing had gotten.

 

I would not disagree with that at all. I just cant stand when douches run all over people.



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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:16 AM

Back to the original question, bringing a rifle to the handgun match is unsportsmanlike conduct.  Everything else is icing.


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:20 AM

I don't blame him for being angry and cranky, and I only blame max a little for winding him up, but verbal abuse and physical threats have no place in *any* sport, especially in one where everyone who's not a total fag is carrying a pistol.


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:36 AM

I don't know what's more embarrassing... being known as a total douche by everyone blowing up at your squad....

 

Or finishing 0.1726 points ahead of the HOA Revolver shooter.....


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:48 AM

I'm pretty tolerant of 'internal' temper tantrums - but that ends as soon as abuse is directed AT someone.

 

Verbal abuse / name calling - Good chance of a DQ at any point.

 

'Shoulder pumping' implying attempts at physical intimidation?  No thought required.  Insta-DQ and strong chance of recommending 'and don't come back'.

 

>> I will also say I didn't help the situation when the name calling from the father started. I was tossing em right back.

 

If I thought you were actively participating and escalating the situation [edit: to the level of threatened violence] (and it sounds like you were) I likely would have DQ'd all 3 of you for unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

Got no patience for that in gun games.


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:55 AM

Like to know more about this situation - please continue.


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 09:57 AM

Good thing no one didn't LAMR during all this.......


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:09 AM

Good thing no one didn't LAMR during all this.......

PCC shooter.  Would have been plenty of time for The Law to arrive.


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:10 AM

I would not disagree with that at all. I just cant stand when douches run all over people.

I can't either, but you have to know when to just give em the finger and call the RM over to get their asses thrown out. 


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Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:27 AM

How the fuck did this guy get a second reshoot?

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Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:29 AM

How the fuck did this guy get a second reshoot?

 

The jury is still out on that one. Both the Squad and RM have no clue.



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Posted 12 June 2017 - 10:31 AM

I can't either, but you have to know when to just give em the finger and call the RM over to get their asses thrown out. 

 

Or I could confront him since clearly the staff didnt give a shit either.






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