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#1 ShootsLikeaDog

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 11:39 AM

OK, unlike our friend cor_man257, I *did* pull up my panties, give enough blowjobs to raise $20 in match fees, and shoot an actual USPSA match, but: Laying aside the issue of competitiveness, or personal taste, or bitterly-held preexisting prejudices about the manhood of people who shoot $DIVISION, and speaking purely from a skills development angle, should a rank n00b start off in Limited or Production, and why?  I've heard opinions on both sides.  Discuss.

(If hardware makes a difference to your answer, assume a Glock 34 in Production and a Glock 35 with major loads and a magwell in Limited, both with FO sights and trigger work.  If that doesn't flip up your skirt, assume whatever hardware you want, but specify.)



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 11:52 AM

High cap divisions will make you better, faster. The biggest gains in this sport (beyond being able to hit and remember all the targets) is in movement, entries, exits and shooting on the move. It allows you to focus on the shooting part of the game, as opposed to constantly worrying about reloading or running out of bullets. 

 

If I had my way everyone would also start in a division with an optic, since that will also make you a lot better, faster.



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 11:54 AM

Are you SURE you aren't a special snowflake in disguise?

Lim Glock anything is dumb, have some self respect. 2011 or equivalent or GTFO of Limited.

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 11:57 AM

Glocks are dumb and Production is dumber so that would make you Dumb and Dumber.  Get a sweet 2011 Limited gat and impress your friends at the range with your "custom" hardware.  Chicks dig it.


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 12:24 PM

It allows you to focus on the shooting part of the game, as opposed to constantly worrying about reloading or running out of bullets. 

 

Actual srs advice?  I feel like this is what gets you warning points in these parts.

 

The counter-argument to that (not mine, for the record) is that you have to get good at reloading someday so you might as well do it up front, and therefore by running any division but Production you're just masking skills you'll need.  Thoughts on that?

 

Who do you think you are, Mr. White?

 

Someday I hope to be GuanoLoco circa 2014.

 

I mean, obviously I'm not talking about being competitive in either division, and if I was afraid to embarrass myself I wouldn't be here.  Or at any match.  Ever.

 

Glocks are dumb and Production is dumber so that would make you Dumb and Dumber.  Get a sweet 2011 Limited gat and impress your friends at the range with your "custom" hardware.  Chicks dig it.

 

But what, per my IDPA roots, do dudes dig?  That's really the important question, if we're talking about compensating for how bad you suck by buying expensive shit.



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 12:46 PM

Actual srs advice?  I feel like this is what gets you warning points in these parts.

 

The counter-argument to that (not mine, for the record) is that you have to get good at reloading someday so you might as well do it up front, and therefore by running any division but Production you're just masking skills you'll need.  Thoughts on that?

 

 

Someday I hope to be GuanoLoco circa 2014.

 

I mean, obviously I'm not talking about being competitive in either division, and if I was afraid to embarrass myself I wouldn't be here.  Or at any match.  Ever.

 

 

But what, per my IDPA roots, do dudes dig?  That's really the important question, if we're talking about compensating for how bad you suck by buying expensive shit.

Anything Salient.  But doods also dig hard chrome and mag capacity.  Given that Salient is overpriced garbage that only leaves you with a 2011.

 

 

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 12:52 PM



High cap divisions will make you better, faster. The biggest gains in this sport (beyond being able to hit and remember all the targets) is in movement, entries, exits and shooting on the move. It allows you to focus on the shooting part of the game, as opposed to constantly worrying about reloading or running out of bullets.

If I had my way everyone would also start in a division with an optic, since that will also make you a lot better, faster.


Practice makes you faster. 9mm is cheaper. Production has plenty of boom booms in the gun, you just have to reload when you move your feet. If you want to buy your way to the top of the overall......



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 12:53 PM

It doesn't matter. Limited slightly favors speed a bit more and involves less reloads (so there's a lower equipment requirement in magazines). It also favors non-9mm and more gun modifications, so it's up to how much you want to lean towards a "stock" style division.

 

Actually dedicating a whopping 5 minutes of practice to the game every now and then is what separates the people scoring well from the other 80% of the field. Divisions don't make a difference aside from what you get to call gay on Doodie.


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:01 PM

 Someday I hope to be GuanoLoco circa 2014.

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:18 PM

Clearly the correct answer is Carry Optics.

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:19 PM

Handguns are only kept around for legacy purposes. If you are new start at the top and that is pistol caliber carbine. No reloads, no irons, no ammo reloading, no turning around, no weak hand, and best of all no reholstering!

Maximum practical! The p is uspsa does not stand for handgun - it's just there to divide the s's.

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:44 PM

Serious answer: What does the best shooter at your local match shoot?

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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:53 PM

Do what it takes to get to HOA; that's all the chicks care about.
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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:56 PM

Serious answer: What does the best shooter at your local match shoot?

 

Winner!

 

Go where the heat is, learn from them.

 

The standard response is limited minor because most everyone asking has a full-size 9mm pistol, but sounds like you have a limited gun already.  

 

Just pick one and commit to it for a solid year, don't do the harebrained division musical chairs thing.



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 01:57 PM

Do you wanna be good or look good? High-priced 2011 shooting limited, obviously. Take lots of video footage, but under no circumstances overlay your hits [misses], time or hit factor.

 

Better question - why don't you have a sponsor jersey yet?


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 02:01 PM

Handguns are only kept around for legacy purposes. If you are new start at the top and that is pistol caliber carbine. No reloads, no irons, no ammo reloading, no turning around, no weak hand, and best of all no reholstering!

Maximum practical! The p is uspsa does not stand for handgun - it's just there to divide the s's.

A Salient Tier One carbine is the best and is an heirloom you can pass down to the next tard surfing ads on enos.

LOL a PCC guy DQ'd on the classifier this weekend.  AD into the box whilst the changing of the mag.  


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 02:03 PM

That's a terrible ruling! He wasn't aiming the gun at anybody plus they shouldn't have put the box so close to him!
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Posted 26 June 2017 - 02:22 PM

PCC 10? Seems fun...


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Posted 26 June 2017 - 02:28 PM

Actual srs advice?  I feel like this is what gets you warning points in these parts. I know, I am working very hard to get that first warning point.

 

The counter-argument to that (not mine, for the record) is that you have to get good at reloading someday so you might as well do it up front, and therefore by running any division but Production you're just masking skills you'll need.  Thoughts on that?

You could make that counter-argument, if shooting a high cap division and practicing reloads outside of matches were mutually exclusive. Since they are not, don't be a dumbass with a dumbass counter-argument and practice them outside of matches. When I was first getting into the sport (while shooting a limited G35, to boot) I did about 100 reloads a day. I got good at them, now I don't have to practice them very often anymore. 

 

See: association fallacy.



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Posted 26 June 2017 - 02:42 PM

You're really doing 2 things at the beginning, learning how to shoot (at least shoot in the action style) and learning how to play the game. They are separate but it's easy to think of them as equal.

 

In my mind it's easier to do both by decomplicating them as much as possible, so I usually suggest newbies shoot Limited and fill up their magazines. That way they can build on the initial game-learning by adding in 'breaking down a stage by 10s' later if they want to shoot Production.

 

It also reduces ones frustration in going to war and slide locking repeatedly. But these are perhaps subjective benefits, if you want to shoot Production then do it.


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