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Is the Sig 320 unsafe for USPSA?


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#1 Alfred Salveti

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 09:04 PM

http://thrumylens.or...e-drop-failure/

In this guys blog he stats that some ranges/clubs are banning the Sig 320 because they are dangerous. Is this why stealth team Sig was nuked?

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 09:12 PM

It was a 3GN club that banned his gun. Not a USPSA club.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 09:25 PM

does anyone good shoot a 320? who cares? dropping your fucking gun is dangerous, no matter what you shoot.


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Posted 11 August 2017 - 11:47 PM

I agree with the author of article. Other pistols used by competitors have not been drop tested in a similar fashion to the 320 so we don't know how they would perform. The 320 passed the government tests like other pistols used. Dropping any loaded gun is not safe which is why competitors are DQ'd for doing so. That being said I understand that people may be concerned. In the end it is up to the folks holding the match to decide. I do hope that they would be open to a discussion on the matter and clearly articulate their reasons If they choose to ban the gun.

Full disclosure - I own a 320 and a 320 X5. Since Sig has a remedy I am going to send in my pistol and have it modified.

Which brings up another question. How do you prove that the 320 was modified? A certified letter?

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 07:31 AM

The folks holding the match...

You have to define that better.

MDs have to follow the rulebook, 320 is on the approved list.

The range can ban 320s and risk losing the USPSA club

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:18 AM

1) There are guns popular in 3 Gun that don't have a firing pin block that are also potentially dangerous if dropped so this is dumb.

2) In order for the defect in question to manifest itself, the gun needs to fall onto a surface that is sufficient massive and inelastic. Practically speaking either concrete, blacktop, or a big fucking rock. So either:

1) The club's leadership are fucking idiots who don't understand the problem.

2) The matches take place on an indoor range, therefore leadership are fucking idiots (3 Gun indoors)?

3) The COFs have big fucking rocks all around, and you're more likely to trip on a rock and shoot somebody than you are to drop your SIG on one, so again, the people making the rule are fucking idiots.
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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:37 AM

The folks holding the match...

You have to define that better.

MDs have to follow the rulebook, 320 is on the approved list.

The range can ban 320s and risk losing the USPSA club

Point taken.  I was referring to the local level and I appreciate your response.  I should have given more thought to the situation before posting that comment.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 12:02 PM

That club is run by morons apparently. Guess they don't think all the far more dangerous shit they do in 3 gun is a big deal.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 03:29 PM

The folks holding the match...

You have to define that better.

MDs have to follow the rulebook, 320 is on the approved list.

The range can ban 320s and risk losing the USPSA club

Who are you going to complain to?

USPSA?

The beard said go fuck yourselves, if it isn't nationals, shut the fuck up and send your money, we don't want to hear no one running their pie hole.


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 04:11 PM

So when you modify the trigger to get a lighter pull the defect goes away.

When I'm in the market for a production gun I'd consider getting an x5 320; it's a decent deal with the extra mags and other shit.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 04:20 PM

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I so want to blow this thread up with sig hate memes. But I will refrain. I already have another thread for that.


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 04:21 PM

So when you modify the trigger to get a lighter pull the defect goes away.


No. They make the Trigger assembly (trigger, trigger bar) lighter so that it has less mass / inertia when dropped and so won't fire on its own when dropped.

Inertial firing is exactly what the Glock dingus / M&P hinged trigger prevents - why Sig didn't use a similar design (the Walther P99 actually has the best way of dealing with this IMO) is beyond me.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 06:43 PM

I've seen a lot of shooter's AD during competition, probably close to double digits in two years of fairly regular matches, not to mention many more on youtube videos.  I think I remember one incident of a shooter dropping his loaded gun. 

 

So you can send a round wherever, and you go home for the day. 

 

Yet we have people calling for a ban of all 320s, including the competition model which did not fire, based on a drop test conducted by a retailer in conditions that are dissimilar from any outdoor match I've ever shot. 

 

Seems logical.


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 06:56 PM

does anyone good shoot a 320? who cares? dropping your fucking gun is dangerous, no matter what you shoot.

 

Got any videos of Glocks, 1911's or whatever going off like that?

 

Just curious.  Last I checked it's not the dropping...it's the impact.

 

Conventional wisdow is it's better to let a gun hit the ground then try to catch it.  Is that still the case with a 320?


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 09:06 PM

Got any videos of Glocks, 1911's or whatever going off like that?

Just curious. Last I checked it's not the dropping...it's the impact.

Conventional wisdow is it's better to let a gun hit the ground then try to catch it. Is that still the case with a 320?


No if you drop a 320 you better be hitting the deck...it's your best chance of survival from the ensuing salvo that will spew from the muzzle as soon as it hits the ground. Glocks or any other gun, no need to worry. You can just stand there looking like a retard waiting for the Dairy Queen to show up. You will be perfectly safe.

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:43 PM

No if you drop a 320 you better be hitting the deck...it's your best chance of survival from the ensuing salvo that will spew from the muzzle as soon as it hits the ground. Glocks or any other gun, no need to worry. You can just stand there looking like a retard waiting for the Dairy Queen to show up. You will be perfectly safe.

Same could be said of a 1911/2011 with a pinned grip safety. You wanna ban those too?

How about a open/limited Glock with a ZEV trigger?

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:53 PM

How about a open/limited Glock with a ZEV trigger?


To be fair the Zev trigger keeps a Glock's drop safety intact.
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Posted 13 August 2017 - 04:52 AM

A retard trigger job on an M&P will let you cook one off in the holster.

I'll bet there are few of those timebombs out there, no one much seems to care, tho

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 05:36 AM

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 07:42 AM

A retard trigger job on an M&P will let you cook one off in the holster.anywhere

I'll bet there are few of those timebombs out there, no one much seems to care, tho

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