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#21 ShootsLikeaDog

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 05:56 PM

So if one was intrigued by these ideas and had decided to subscribe to the newsletter, but wanted to do it as cheaply as possible, any recommendations on red dots?



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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:11 PM

So if one was intrigued by these ideas and had decided to subscribe to the newsletter, but wanted to do it as cheaply as possible, any recommendations on red dots?

Cheap? Vortex Viper or Burris.
My preference is for bigger dots, using a 6moa Viper with no issues yet.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 06:22 PM

So if one was intrigued by these ideas and had decided to subscribe to the newsletter, but wanted to do it as cheaply as possible, any recommendations on red dots?

Deltapoint Pro 2.5MOA. About 350. The RTS2 is similar in price, though I don't like it as much due to the blue tinted lens and seemingly unending list of problems. I have a Burris fastfire and it has been great, especially for the sub-$200 price tag. I have heard mixed reviews regarding their durability as slide ride dots though.


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Posted 12 November 2017 - 07:07 PM

Another vote for the Delta Point Pro. I have had one on a G17 MOS for over a year with no issues.

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Posted 12 November 2017 - 09:06 PM

Yup, I have two DP Pro's. I think it's the best dot on the market so far. Easy to sight in, easy adjustments, and no removal for battery changes.

#26 ShootsLikeaDog

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 06:02 AM

Deltapoint Pro 2.5MOA. About 350. The RTS2 is similar in price, though I don't like it as much due to the blue tinted lens and seemingly unending list of problems. I have a Burris fastfire and it has been great, especially for the sub-$200 price tag. I have heard mixed reviews regarding their durability was slide ride dots though.

 

 

Another vote for the Delta Point Pro. I have had one on a G17 MOS for over a year with no issues.

 

 

Yup, I have two DP Pro's. I think it's the best dot on the market so far. Easy to sight in, easy adjustments, and no removal for battery changes.

 

Based on the above unanimous endorsements, if I had any desire whatsoever to shoot this thing in a match, I would buy one immediately. 

 

As it stands, I found the Burris FastFire II at Cabela's for $150, and less than half the price is pretty tempting.  On the other hand, it's 4 MOA instead of 2.5 MOA and obviously less nice overall.  More contemplation is required, probably until they sell out of the FFII deal I mentioned above and make the decision for me by default.



#27 GooldMember

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Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:41 PM

Based on the above unanimous endorsements, if I had any desire whatsoever to shoot this thing in a match, I would buy one immediately. 

 

As it stands, I found the Burris FastFire II at Cabela's for $150, and less than half the price is pretty tempting.  On the other hand, it's 4 MOA instead of 2.5 MOA and obviously less nice overall.  More contemplation is required, probably until they sell out of the FFII deal I mentioned above and make the decision for me by default.

The fastfire is still a great little dot, and even if you decide you don't love it on the pistol it would be excellent as a 45* dot on a rifle, on a shotgun, on a steel challenge 22, a PCC, etc. For that cheap I would probably pick one up just to have an extra dot laying around



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Posted 13 November 2017 - 02:57 PM

Echoing recommendation for DPP 2.5 MOA

It’s a fantastic dot.
I won an IDPA match once. It was neat.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 05:19 PM

I find, if nothing else, using the dot in dry fire is like putting a magnifying glass on your technique.
What used to look like a trigger pull that didn’t move the sights, now shows what is REALLY happening when you pull the trigger.
X2 for us with aging eyes that have trouble seeing exactly how well the sights are aligned... especially when pulling the trigger in a DA gun.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 05:46 PM

Delta point pro 7.5.

Reticle is shaped like a triangle so you can sight distance shots to align to the tip of the triangle; shorter shots just put the red where you want and rip it.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 06:18 PM

Fuck that. I just put the 2.5 dot where i want it. I dont want to look at a part of the dot.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 06:36 PM

Mine are the 7.5 triangles, Friggn awesome!!!!
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Posted 23 November 2017 - 01:19 AM

Delta point pro 7.5.

Reticle is shaped like a triangle so you can sight distance shots to align to the tip of the triangle; shorter shots just put the red where you want and rip it.

The 7.5 is just like the 2.5, except dimmer and not as good.
I won an IDPA match once. It was neat.

#34 Will

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 06:24 AM

That's not my limited experience. Besides, my eyes are old and I need a larger reticle .

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 09:02 AM

The 7.5 is just like the 2.5, except dimmer and not as good.


The triangle doesn't need to be as bright because it's bigger. For SC a bigger dot is faster.

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Posted 23 November 2017 - 09:44 AM

Delta point pro 7.5.

Reticle is shaped like a triangle so you can sight distance shots to align to the tip of the triangle; shorter shots just put the red where you want and rip it.

I used to think this would be an awesome ability, then I thought about it, it subtends about 3" @ 50yds. I might intentionally aim at the upper A box there, but it's total chance if I hit it. At the far more common 25yds and in it covers less than 2" which is less than my offhand at speed groups until the target get real close so cover and shoot a big bright dot does all I need, can bloom into big ass star burst from my astigmatism and it doesn't hurt at all. Carbine out past 100yds different story.



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Posted 23 November 2017 - 12:17 PM

The triangle concept is all cool in theory until you use it and realize it takes too much time to fuck around with the point and so end up using the whole thing like a 16-minute dot, which is sub-optimal too. Deltapoints with regular dots are fine.
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