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#1 ShootsLikeaDog

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 09:58 AM

I recently shot someone else's .45 reloads that were softer and flatter than my shitty factory Freedom 115 gr 9mm and this plus my credit card bill has inspired me to actually maybe make some damn ammo on the peasant 550B that's been waiting patiently for me for months now.  Stories of blowing up my face will probably ensue, but first, a question:

 

I have read all the threads on Doodie about how to clean brass.  Cement mixers, rock tumblers, corncob, stainless steel pins, food dehydrators, outside vs. inside, Lemishine, Dawn, Armor-All, etc.  Yes, yes, all of this is beautiful and I'm sure I'll wind up doing it someday.  But right now I just want to produce some small-batch non-automated artisan ammo that doesn't blow my face up.

 

So the question I have is this:

 

Do I have to clean my brass?

 

80% of the internet seems to say "YOU SHOULD OR YOU'RE A BAD PERSON," 10% says "YOU HAVE TO OR YOU'LL BLOW YOUR FACE OFF," and 10% says "No you don't have to because people managed to not blow their faces off for a long time prior to the advent of mass case cleaning solutions, but it's prettier if you do."

 

Doodie seems to accept unquestioningly, as a group, that brass must be cleaned, but let's be real: Doodie, as a group, likes shiny things, is OCD, and has mostly automated to the point where cleaning makes the automation run more smoothly.  I'm asking about non-automated peasant mode on a 550B.

 

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 10:05 AM

One dude in my club never cleans his brass and his stuff appears to function.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 10:06 AM

All my brass is indoor range pickup stuff, once-fired by cops in training. Pretty much the best case scanrio for brass acquisition.

I still give it a 20 minute tumble in lizard bedding from Petco (cheap source of crushed walnut) because it goes through the press much more smoothly.

I couldn’t give fewer fucks about how shiny it is: ugly and beaten but reliable guns are much more intersting to me than hardchromed safe queens, and I don’t feel much differently about my brass.
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Posted 22 November 2017 - 10:07 AM

If you're too lazy to clean your brass you deserve having a stuck case in your chamber.  Which will negate the damage you've done to your tendons to improve in a split second.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 10:07 AM

I remember reading in a Lee book that he didn't bother to clean his brass.  I don't know where you shoot, but if it doesn't have grit/rocks in it, I can't see that you have to do it.  I mean, you're using a 550 so you've proven you do not give a red fuck.  Fuck the man and do what you want!


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 11:00 AM

You're just going to have to buy a tumbler and some media; clean brass shoot it...then load and shoot without cleaning it to see cleaning is needed.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 11:10 AM

I remember reading in a Lee book that he didn't bother to clean his brass. I don't know where you shoot, but if it doesn't have grit/rocks in it, I can't see that you have to do it. I mean, you're using a 550 so you've proven you do not give a red fuck. Fuck the man and do what you want!


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 11:57 AM

If you clean the range before you shoot on it you shouldn’t need to clean the brass ‘nuff said.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:03 PM

FFS you own hundreds and thousands of dollars in gear, get a fucking $40 tumbler so your brass doesn't look like it was in a goat's ass.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:43 PM

FFS you own hundreds and thousands of dollars in gear, get a fucking $40 tumbler so your brass doesn't look like it was in a goat's ass.

 

This. But if you're too lazy, put them in a mesh bag and throw them in the washing machine with some rags or in the dishwasher. I'm sure you'll eventually fuck up either appliance but look all that money you saved by not buying a tumbler.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 12:59 PM

Polishing your brass will help it run through the dies more smoothly. It is not like this is a high effort/high cost process.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 01:12 PM

All my brass is indoor range pickup stuff, once-fired by cops in training. Pretty much the best case scanrio for brass acquisition.

I still give it a 20 minute tumble in lizard bedding from Petco (cheap source of crushed walnut) because it goes through the press much more smoothly.

 

Fair.  The stuff I'd be using for this particular application is factory reman and/or new indoor pickup, though I do plan to add some kind of cleaning solution eventually for the stuff that isn't.

 

If you're too lazy to clean your brass you deserve having a stuck case in your chamber.  Which will negate the damage you've done to your tendons to improve in a split second.

 

You are definitely underestimating just how bad I was prior to the tendon shredding.  I could probably field-strip and reassemble and still be able to finish faster than I could before.

 

You're just going to have to buy a tumbler and some media; clean brass shoot it...then load and shoot without cleaning it to see cleaning is needed.

 

I think I would be more likely to wait for ToddKS to stick another box of shiny, shiny prepped 9mm in the Doodie classifieds.  Because so shiny.  And also so lazy.

 

FFS you own hundreds and thousands of dollars in gear, get a fucking $40 tumbler so your brass doesn't look like it was in a goat's ass.

 

Goat-Caliber Carbine: the new hotness?

 

This. But if you're too lazy, put them in a mesh bag and throw them in the washing machine with some rags or in the dishwasher. I'm sure you'll eventually fuck up either appliance but look all that money you saved by not buying a tumbler.

 

To give me full credit for laziness, it's not really even the money.  It's paralysis by analysis and too many starting variables.  Dry or wet?  Inside or outside?  What kind of media?  How to sort the media out, if using reusable media?  What kind of tumbler?  How long to run?  What ingredients to use, if wet-tumbling?  Buy a food dehydrator or put it on cookie sheets in the oven?  IT'S ALL SO HARD!



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Posted 22 November 2017 - 01:51 PM

Cheap tumbler + media + cheap plastic noodle strainer is cheaper than new dies. If you're investing the time to load on a 550b why not use clean brass.
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Posted 22 November 2017 - 02:06 PM

Shiny sparkly brass is for people who are afraid to mess up their manicure.

Throw the junk in a bucket with hot water and some dish soap. Drink a beer and stir a couple of times. Rinse, let dry and You're g2g.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 02:09 PM

i just tumble them clean , not looking for highly polished 

 

for the the lil bit of time and the tumbler doing all the work..

 

why risk the old saying ~~~>    garbage in - garbage out


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 02:16 PM

Getting out of bed is a risk. Man up dammit.


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Posted 22 November 2017 - 03:27 PM

Dirty carboned brass goes through the machine easier than clean stuff.

Ive done it when needed. It will be fine.

Ps rocks break decapping pins.
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Posted 22 November 2017 - 04:02 PM

Lol - dirty brass! That is the least of your problems...

You're reloading for the first time on a 550 which means the probability of you double charging a case and blowing your shit up is virtually assured.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 04:28 PM

Lol - dirty brass! That is the least of your problems...
You're reloading for the first time on a 550 which means the probability of you double charging a case and blowing your shit up is virtually assured.

The type of guy that blows shit up will do it no matter what model press is used.
The 550 is good machine,,, if you have time to spend and stay off the sauce.

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Posted 22 November 2017 - 04:38 PM

Fair.  The stuff I'd be using for this particular application is factory reman and/or new indoor pickup, though I do plan to add some kind of cleaning solution eventually for the stuff that isn't.

 

 

You are definitely underestimating just how bad I was prior to the tendon shredding.  I could probably field-strip and reassemble and still be able to finish faster than I could before.

 

 

I think I would be more likely to wait for ToddKS to stick another box of shiny, shiny prepped 9mm in the Doodie classifieds.  Because so shiny.  And also so lazy.

 

 

Goat-Caliber Carbine: the new hotness?

 

 

To give me full credit for laziness, it's not really even the money.  It's paralysis by analysis and too many starting variables.  Dry or wet?  Inside or outside?  What kind of media?  How to sort the media out, if using reusable media?  What kind of tumbler?  How long to run?  What ingredients to use, if wet-tumbling?  Buy a food dehydrator or put it on cookie sheets in the oven?  IT'S ALL SO HARD!

You're in the wrong forum.  Benos will love you moar.


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