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#1 Damcowboy

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 05:33 PM

OK kids, this might get a little academic so don't panic.

 

There is an article by Eric Lamberson in the latest USPSA down range email that talked about Dr Anders Ericsson's research into deliberate practice, and Malcolm Gladwell's book where he plays with the theory and calls it the 10,000 hour rule.  You may have heard of this.

 

There is a really good podcast on this very topic that interviews both Ericsson and Gladwell that I think relates directly to what Ben, Steve Anderson, Bob Vogel etc are trying to get across about how deliberate practice is necessary and way more useful to become good at just about anything.  The podcast is part of Freakonomics radio done by Steve Gubner (Freakonomics is a good podcast and they rarely get political so you won't have a bunch of liberal politics jammed down your throat).  This particular podcast was aired last year 4/28/16, episode 244, and was called "How to become Great at just about anything".  A link is here: http://freakonomics.com/podcast/peak/

 

Not sure the link works but that's to the webpage anyway.  Its way easier to just go to your phone podcast app (iphone podacast app, or Audible, google play, Spotify, Stitcher) and look up Freakonomics, you'll find it.  In the podcast they highlight a woman who decides to learn how to sing, and she is horrible, I mean really bad.  But she practices and trains a ton and the results are ... wow.  The podcast is 50 minutes long.  If you want an academic/scientific explanation why Ben's methods work, this is the closest I have ever heard.

 

A second podcast that relates to getting gooder at shooting is the next one they do, 5/4/16, episode 245, "How to Get More Grit in Your Life".  This is for those of us who want to get better, but hate the boredom of practice and training, i.e. most normal human beings.  link http://freakonomics.com/podcast/grit/

 

 


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 05:51 PM

Lots of quality practice makes you better. Hmm.



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Posted 14 December 2017 - 06:32 PM

10,000 hours? Ain't nobody got time for that.

Write a book called "Grand Master in 10 Minutes". That will be a best seller.
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Posted 14 December 2017 - 06:50 PM

Probbly easier if you link the youtube video. I listened to it when it came out, they reposted it like 6 months ago also.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 06:51 PM

In the heavy equipment trade it's 1000 hours to be competent, 5000 to be a professional, and 10,000 to be an expert. I can see that being a applicable frame of reference to a lot of skills.
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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:02 PM

In the heavy equipment trade it's 1000 hours to be competent, 5000 to be a professional, and 10,000 to be an expert. I can see that being a applicable frame of reference to a lot of skills.


Yah, kinda the point I think. But its an interesting analysis of the idea.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:15 PM

I think there's a thread on here already addressing this very theory. If you were to dry fire for an hour each evening you could be an expert in 27 years blah blah blah.

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:29 PM

3333 is an estimate how many times married couples will have sex between ages 18 and 59. Allowing a generous 10 minutes that most of you would last per an encounter, that's 555 hours. By the time you all are dependent on Cialis, you haven't even scratched a surface of a C class in banging. 

 

Either that, or that 10,000 shit is bull.


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Posted 14 December 2017 - 09:47 PM

Some people just have natural talent...

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Posted 14 December 2017 - 11:47 PM

Write a book called "Grand Master in 10 Minutes". That will be a best seller.


Where can i buy this masterpiece 🤔🤩


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 04:37 AM

It’s the instruction manual that comes with any pcc. The table of contents is this:

“Chapter One: How to choose uprange start classifiers

The End”
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Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:00 AM

10,000 hours ?

my A.D.D. meter does not go that high .

 

i will stay in A class happily 

10,000 hrs, would cut into my drinking , cigar smokein ,internet porn ,golf , fishing , bowling , hunting time.....

i dropped the NFL and hoping to take up hookers and blow in that time slot..... ;)


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Posted 15 December 2017 - 10:29 AM

Chapter 2: Dominating hit factor on "Strong Hand Only" stages

Chapter 3: The 50 round drum.

Chapter 4: 16" barrels are for losers (submitting your Form 1)

Chapter 5: Lasers

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Posted 15 December 2017 - 12:36 PM

Where can i buy this masterpiece


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I’ll sell you book for $20 **with guraranteed results** - IF you repeat the 10 minute lesson 60,000 times.
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Posted 15 December 2017 - 11:16 PM

If I take Steggers class that’s worth like 9,000 hours right?


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 06:31 AM

I have done way more than 10k hours and I am still improving. Maybe I am doing something wrong, I don't know.


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Posted 16 December 2017 - 09:29 AM

10K is just the experience points you need to level up, I think it stacks.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 06:47 PM

10K is just the experience points you need to level up, I think it stacks.

^^this^^

 

I have done way more than 10k hours and I am still improving. Maybe I am doing something wrong, I don't know.

 

Its not 10,000 hours to your maximum potential, its 10,000 hours to get great at something.  Pretty sure you qualify for that label.  

 

If think it was Gladwell that termed the 10,000 hours, Ericsson is not that specific.  Or it could have been the other way around.



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Posted 17 December 2017 - 07:08 PM

I have done way more than 10k hours and I am still improving. Maybe I am doing something wrong, I don't know.

 

Once you get to 10K you just prestige out and start over.


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Posted 17 December 2017 - 07:56 PM

Once you get to 10K you just prestige out and start over.

 

 

We'll know Ben has hit 10G legit when a bootleg 180 video shows him shooting a gold Tanfo.


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