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#41 flyingpig

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 06:06 AM

Where did you guys find this info/release?



#42 ZackJones

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 06:13 AM

Where did you guys find this info/release?


Weekly email blast from HQ.
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#43 GuanoLoco

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 06:41 AM

On most of these it looks like the HHF assumption that CO needs a way higher HHF than Production is gone. Most have CO and Production at the same HHF. With El Pres, it's lower.
We don't even have 10 CO GMs yet so it did appear that the CO HHFs were a bit high.

  

Should be higher than Prod? I don't shoot a dot, but it seems like it should be faster. If the data show rough parity, that's what the data show--but is it because CO and Prod are the same, or because there's more heat and more runs in Prod? Will CO and Prod HHFs will start spreading apart over time?


That sounds sketchy as hell, I would have to see the data.
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#44 CheesyD

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:09 AM

Ha. You're C class now, chief. 

 

Screw you buddy, I'd still be a dirty nutsack B class baller... by 1.5%



#45 Just Some Random Hoser

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:26 AM

From what I'm seeing,looks like what would have been 100% will now be 85-90%.

GREAT!!!!

Now I'll have to take a class from Steeger AND the Nicest Guy in USPSA just to crack A Class...



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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:34 AM

I'd like someone to explain that to me. They remvoed the outliers? Does that mean ones that the SS guys shot? If so, to justify increasing some by 13%, they're basically saying they're are still some bad ass mofos out there laying down some killer clsissfiers. These shooters are not at my club or any club near me.

Take a look at the top 12 in Production....all those fuckers are BAD ASS, and each and everyone has lightening bolts coming outta their asses when they shoot....I've seen it....just sayin'....



#47 Just Some Random Hoser

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:36 AM

I went thru my recent production classifiers, it appears production HHFs have been adjusted up by maybe 1 HF.

 

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We are just really lucky Steeger didn't do his "Hondo Project"....you know, shooting well over a 100% on every classifier....



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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:38 AM

Wonder if Foley will chime in here and shine a little more light on how they did everything?....
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#49 Just Some Random Hoser

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:39 AM

I am definitely doing a lot of things wrong.....th highest HF I've ever gotten, EVER, was like 5.55....fuck I'm doomed!



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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:40 AM

One post is good, but if you have to post four in a row just don't.



#51 Just Some Random Hoser

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:40 AM

Wonder if Foley will chime in here and shine a little more light on how they did everything?....

Careful what you wish for....



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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:44 AM

Good to see them using numbers that appear to be calculated rather than rounded off or pulled from someone's ass.

CO is now the new grandbagger division. No reason any of it's HF's should be lower than Prod except that most CO shooters are blind or noobs and spend three seconds doing the dot-wiggle-dance on every draw. After all, a Prod gun with a non-functional glass slapped on top is legal for CO.

It would be interesting to see if the SS difference to Prod is just the old fart factor or there really is an advantage to the double-stack reload.

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 07:53 AM

Good to see them using numbers that appear to be calculated rather than rounded off or pulled from someone's ass.

CO is now the new grandbagger division. No reason any of it's HF's should be lower than Prod except that most CO shooters are blind or noobs and spend three seconds doing the dot-wiggle-dance on every draw. After all, a Prod gun with a non-functional glass slapped on top is legal for CO.

It would be interesting to see if the SS difference to Prod is just the old fart factor or there really is an advantage to the double-stack reload.


Is SS lower than prod now? All the old SS hit factors were right on top of Limited.

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 09:15 AM

Can you count is fun, I'd rather it be tweaked however it needs to be rather than scrapped. I've always been fairly consistently M on it (hell probably A now), it's pretty much the "how fast can you pull a trigger" test.

It is pretty fun. Apparently that is a rarer skill than I thought based on that match's results.

 

Me and one other guy both easily hit more than 20% over current (2% out of B at which point it'd count), USPSA didn't acknowledge my petition, he called and they told him no. 



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Posted 29 June 2018 - 10:29 AM

I shot Baseball Standards last night. I shot it pretty good - 97 HF, my personal record. According to the old system it would be 80.83% in Production. Now - 100%.  


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Posted 29 June 2018 - 05:01 PM

Wonder if Foley will chime in here and shine a little more light on how they did everything?....

 We ain't seeing anybody from Uspsa command  posting on this forum ever again. I'm sure of that.


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Posted 29 June 2018 - 06:38 PM

 

Mine dropped 9%. To go from 3% away from GM to the top of A class seems like a huge punch. At the thin end of the curve to overnight ask me to be 10-12% better now to make my goal just seems ridic.

 

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That's quite the gut punch.


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#58 flyingpig

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Posted 29 June 2018 - 08:15 PM

WOW! four  of my last six would score 4 to 8 % lower and only one would have gone up 4%



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Posted 30 June 2018 - 01:23 AM

Should be higher than Prod? I don't shoot a dot, but it seems like it should be faster. ....

 

Dot is really only faster 13 yards or so and out vs iron sight - considering addl. time to sharpen up front sight and/or get rear sight alignment.

At classifier speeds, 10 yards and in or when target focus distance, iron sight is easier/faster.

The 'other' CO advantage vs PROD when looking at match scores is zero or one reload per stage.



#60 shmella

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 02:22 PM

Dot is really only faster 13 yards or so and out vs iron sight - considering addl. time to sharpen up front sight and/or get rear sight alignment.
At classifier speeds, 10 yards and in or when target focus distance, iron sight is easier/faster.

The 'other' CO advantage vs PROD when looking at match scores is zero or one reload per stage.


I disagree with all of this, but I just barely scraped into A class so my opinion doesn’t matter.






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