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#1 ralloway

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 10:56 AM

In the latest Down Range email, a Single Stack ruling was announced:
 
The first ruling, entitled Barrel Profiles in Single Stack Division, enforces the board mandated change to Single Stack Division requiring all barrels, regardless of outside diameter, to have a bushing, unless the barrel is shorter than 4.20 inches. Here is the text of that ruling: 
 
Per BOD directive, all barrels must have a bushing installed, regardless of barrel diameter. Cone and flanged barrels are not allowed. This does not apply to pistols having a barrel length of 4.20 inches or less. All other parameters for Single Stack, including the weight limit, remain in effect. 

 

 
As far as I can tell, this changed nothing.  It's barely a rewording.
 
The actual ruling is here (2nd from bottom, "D5, 22")... I had hoped there was more info, but the wording is the exact same as in the Down Range email.
 
The wording of D5-22 (Prohibited mods and features) in the 2014 Handgun rules is:
 
"Coned barrels, bull barrels, or barrels with flanges, except in 1911 compact pistols with a barrel length of 4.20 inches or less. (Note: All other barrels must have barrel bushings and conform to factory profile)."
 
This already states that all barrels >= 4.20" in length are required to have bushings.
 
There is no mention at all of barrel diameter in the rules that I can find.
 
Am I missing something?  I'm tempted to email Troy for a clarification, but thought I'd bounce this off the masses here first.

 


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Posted 31 August 2018 - 11:11 AM

Email Troy with a request for 12 inch barrels to be legal just for the sake of getting it in the rulebook to confuse people.

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 12:56 PM

Some dude near me is the reason for the barrel profile clarification. He has an uber thick bushing barrel. Bushing is bored out. Still works as a bushing but leans more twords the weight of a bull barrel. The above was a clarification for that apparently.

 

https://www.facebook...oBPRV&__tn__=-R


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Posted 31 August 2018 - 01:21 PM

Some dude near me is the reason for the barrel profile clarification. He has an uber thick bushing barrel. Bushing is bored out. Still works as a bushing but leans more twords the weight of a bull barrel. The above was a clarification for that apparently.

 

https://www.facebook...oBPRV&__tn__=-R

 

so does this make the thick barrel legal or illegal...



#5 maximis228

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 01:29 PM

Legal per Troy.



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Posted 31 August 2018 - 01:34 PM

Legal per Troy

 

Interesting.  Not sure it is a game changer with most single stacks butting up against the weight limit anyway, but it is interesting.



#7 maximis228

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Posted 31 August 2018 - 01:48 PM

Interesting.  Not sure it is a game changer with most single stacks butting up against the weight limit anyway, but it is interesting.

 

The barrels are hard to get and the bushing becomes very thin. I dont see this catching on at all.


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Posted 31 August 2018 - 04:05 PM

So this is just a clarification that, if the barrel in that thin bushing is cylindrical instead of conical, it is legal?

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#9 Cranky Gunsmith

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Posted 01 September 2018 - 12:31 PM

So this is just a clarification that, if the barrel in that thin bushing is cylindrical instead of conical, it is legal?

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I don't know if a cylindrical barrel is a requirement. I've handled a factory profiled 9mm barrel from Springfield that was cut to a smaller diameter behind the bushing. It almost appeared like a mini coned barrel that fit a bushing. It was definitely a "factory profile."

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 07:10 AM

They should have grabbed the milspec 1911 barrel diameter and added 1/16" to it. Drill a hole that size in the side of the box. If you can put the pickle in the pocket balls-deep with the slide locked back, you're G2G.

Now we're going to see fat-bushing barrels and oversize slide bores and all kinds of shenanigans for no reason besides "because it's easier to say 'bushing' than actually measure or ban anything".

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#11 maximis228

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Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:25 AM

They should have grabbed the milspec 1911 barrel diameter and added 1/16" to it. Drill a hole that size in the side of the box. If you can put the pickle in the pocket balls-deep with the slide locked back, you're G2G.

Now we're going to see fat-bushing barrels and oversize slide bores and all kinds of shenanigans for no reason besides "because it's easier to say 'bushing' than actually measure or ban anything".

 

Yup... all 100 people who care bout this division are going to run right out to get a uber thin bushing gun made... yup...


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#12 Cranky Gunsmith

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 06:07 PM

So if I get an uber-thin bushing barrel, would that make me competitive against the 5.4 inch single stack guns? I feel completely outgunned with my 45 caliber Range Officer.

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Posted 05 September 2018 - 08:38 PM

I didn’t know anyone still shot single stack


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#14 MemphisMechanic

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 08:46 AM

Only Tim Herron, moto, and select female “pro” shooters hunting for an easy High Lady plaque.
I won an IDPA match once. It was neat.

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 01:55 PM

Only Tim Herron, moto, and select female “pro” shooters hunting for an easy High Lady plaque.

 

i'm mostly shooting limited now because the competition is better and I'm learning faster, but I still really dig SS-only (or SS/prod) matches and shoot any of those I can get to. If I get to the point where I am routinely winning limited in local matches, I may switch back to SS locally. I personally don't care about anything in this thread though. I don't feel outgunned by 5.4" guns, or silly barrels, or whatever.


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#16 TCB

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Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:56 PM

5.4 is uspsa legal?



#17 beerbaron

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 01:06 AM

5.4 is uspsa legal?


Yep. The sti dvc ss come in 5.4 inch.
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#18 snark

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 09:05 AM

If USPSA didn't cater to random cranky vocal minorities we wouldn't have Revo, L10, Ladies or Juniors either.

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#19 beerbaron

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 09:06 PM

If USPSA didn't cater to random cranky vocal minorities we wouldn't have Revo, L10, Ladies or Juniors either.


Or pcc.
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#20 Just Some Random Hoser

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Posted 08 September 2018 - 10:45 AM

If USPSA didn't cater to random cranky vocal minorities we wouldn't have Revo, L10, Ladies or Juniors either.


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